2lbs from 400w HPS is probably possible with zero veg

[OregonMeds]

If you are a very experienced SOG grower please pick apart the plan if you like, but at least first actually look at the link to the icmag grow and read the whole thread, it's still very short.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/143532-over-2lbs-400w-normal-time.html

 

[TheFaux]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88449&page=1&pp=15&userid=30088

Here's the link to ICMag.

 

[TheFaux]

Anything is possible.

 

[BloodShot420]

2.24 grams/watt with no veg time? doubt it...

that thread is about a big CFL grow... ???

 

[MisterMicro]

i imagine such things to be possible uner the colluseum style.

 

[BloodShot420]

the best i've ever seen, with documented evidence was someone on overgrow who got 1g/watt in 3 months... 1 month veg, 2 flower - in a 400w micro cab with a screen - he had pics and everything... not many even come close to that.

400 watt with no veg time cant make 2 P's in 8 weeks, not even wet... maybe if you weight the whole plant...

also that ic mag thread is so long - over 10 pages, and they kept timing out for me... but it didnt seem like anyone was using a 400w hps, it was all CFLs up to page 6 or 7...

 

[MisterMicro]

ya, it is a bit long, all i saw was cfls too. beautifuly sized cabinet though. im going to try to produce 5-7 zips in my 150w cab, what is that... 1.3 g per watt potentially? and thats in some tight ass space. oergonmeds knows what im talking about.

 

[OregonMeds]

Thanks for looking guys.

I didn't mean you had to look at the whole icmag thread, just read my whole thread explaining my off the wall plan. I only wanted people to look at the icmag thread so they wouldn't keep coming back and saying that you can only do a SOG with 4 plants per sf. He's far beyond that somewhere in the range of 9-16 per sf and it still works, and pretty damn good too considering yes he's just using cfl's. Just like people would have previously said you can't do anything but clone in a 20oz cup years ago, myths and conventional wisdom have been wrong before.

I shouldn't have put probably in the title, my bad. May be possible would have been better since it is a completely untested idea and admittedly a gamble.

However, I think this is a good plan even if it fails to reach 2lbs and plant numbers have to be reduced or something.

I bet you that with a few people trying that or similar to find the bleeding edge mix and right strain for it we can probably break records for grows of similar types.

 

[bicycle racer]

i have gotten more than a pound1/2 wet under 400hps but not dry unfortunately that would be cool. i think strain is important with this.

 

[westmich]

I hear a lot of people saying they only got x amount under 400W HPS, but did they read the original post? We're talking 144 plants averaging 7 grams per plant. Doesn't seem that unreasonable. Even at 6 grams per plant you still get 1.9lbs.

 

[hectorius]

ive heard of high yields from florescents but long veg times

 

[BloodShot420]

by the same token... if you take a 1KW light, which is 250% brighter, i should be able to do 250% more clones and get 250% more yield...

so i just need 360 clones, and i can get 5.6 LBS if each clone has 7 g...

the only problem i see with this - is that its impossible

 

[BCtrippin]

http://www.growcloset.com/product-135.html

Dude......Volks Garden. Put a 400w in it with a strain that grows low. Slap it full of clones and flower away, it even has little holders for the rockwool cubes.

 

[OregonMeds]

How much can one of those put out though? And I think I'd have to sell a kidney to buy it.

I am thinking about doing the medical provider thing finally, so I want a solution to to get at least 4lbs per month if not more and keep the electric down.

Shoot if I have to do hundreds of clones around vertical cooltubes in a home made barrel SOG I'd do that too, whatever yields like mad on low power with no veg and doesn't cost a fortune.
I won't feel like it's successful though until I break GPW records.

I'll be singing that song in my sig.

 

[BCtrippin]

How much can one of those put out though? And I think I'd have to sell a kidney to buy it.

I am thinking about doing the medical provider thing finally, so I want a solution to to get at least 4lbs per month if not more and keep the electric down.

Shoot if I have to do 144 clones around a vertical cooltube in a staduim grow I'd do that too, whatever yields like mad on low power with no veg and doesn't cost a fortune.

I'll be singing that song in my sig.

Your asking that proverbial question.

High yield, low cost?

I think its been proven that you can yield a lot more growing less plants with vegging and proper training. IMHO Sog is a good way to grow for certain strains in certain situations, but its not gonna get you high yielding dank buds and its a LOT more work.

The problem with numbers is they are just numbers, when you start trying to add up how many grams per how many plants your gonna get screwed in the end. You cant count your chickens before they hatch.

Im not saying its impossible, but this is going to take a LOT of trial and error to find the right strain and the right nutrient program.

If you want 4lbs a month you need to be running 4000w of HPS and even then you will be lucky to get 2 lbs per 1000w.

 

[hectorius]

o ya the mini omega gardens i bet that would do the trick

 

[westmich]

How much can one of those put out though? And I think I'd have to sell a kidney to buy it.

I am thinking about doing the medical provider thing finally, so I want a solution to to get at least 4lbs per month if not more and keep the electric down.

Shoot if I have to do hundreds of clones around vertical cooltubes in a home made barrel SOG I'd do that too, whatever yields like mad on low power with no veg and doesn't cost a fortune.
I won't feel like it's successful though until I break GPW records.

I'll be singing that song in my sig.

I would recommend checking out this thread. Long as hell, but worth the read. or you can go to page 75 for specific instructions. If you're serious about 4 lbs post a question on the best way to scale it up.

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html

 

[smppro]

I think it is possible, that a lot of plants to add up with no wasted space from branches, thats why most 400w wont get this yield, to much wasted space. The area needs to be filled with nothing but colas. Zero veg under cfls produces 4-10grams a plant, it would be fun to try if not for the plant count.

 

[OregonMeds]

Dredged up an old thread... Yea I've been looking into other options like a rotary garden or vertical aero... This plant count was asking for too much I think, and I came to the conclusion that if I were to do that many clones they might as well go into a rotary garden, but after getting all excited about them, then I learned more about their limits, so I have since moved towards the vertical aero idea.

In other words not settled yet, but I have given up on _this_ idea.

 

[BCtrippin]

Dredged up an old thread... Yea I've been looking into other options like a rotary garden or vertical aero... This plant count was asking for too much I think, and I came to the conclusion that if I were to do that many clones they might as well go into a rotary garden, but after getting all excited about them, then I learned more about their limits, so I have since moved towards the vertical aero idea.

In other words not settled yet, but I have given up on _this_ idea.

There could be a LOT of potential in a Custom rotary setup. Bigger wheel, maybe bigger light, and the right strain.


Lately I have been working on plans for optimizing a room 10x10-12x12ft using light rails and a mix of flat and vertical growing. The basic concept would be new plants on the vert shelfs, and plants that are finishing flowering on the floor under bigger lights.