Police Interactions.

hanimmal

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"This does not reflect on all police officers."

Until good police officers call out the bad ones and stop protecting them, YES, IT DOES REFLECT ON AAAALLLLLLL COPS!!!"

All.

Still waiting.
I really hope that someone if also collecting all the online data that these cops like this dickhead and the Chauvin's in the positions of power that are killing people so they can start figuring out the pattern of radicalization these dangerous idiots are seemingly falling into.

And the good cops start to figure out that this is no longer a pre-internet world it is in the best interest of their safety to not have these hatemongerers working next to them. Because those bad cops are being used as propaganda to radicalize people against them, and it is just getting more and more dangerous due to the firepower available at the drop of a dime in our nation.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/utilities-regulators-marijuana-grow-operations-344a5f1b4a52d096e95bc9ae93f7372a
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BANGOR, Maine (AP) — Operators of illegal marijuana grow enterprises hidden inside rural homes in Maine don’t have to worry much about prying neighbors. But their staggering electric bills may give rise to a new snitch.

An electric utility made an unusual proposal to help law enforcement target these illicit operations, which are being investigated for ties to transnational crime. Critics, however, worry the move would violate customers’ privacy.

More than a dozen states that legalized marijuana have seen a spike in illegal marijuana grow operations that utilize massive amounts of electricity. And Maine’s Versant Power has been receiving subpoenas — sometimes for 50 locations at a time — from law enforcement, said Arrian Myrick-Stockdell, corporate counsel. It’d be far more efficient, he suggested to utility regulators, to flip the script and allow electric utilities to report their suspicions to law enforcement.

“Versant has a very high success rate in being able to identify these locations, but we have no ability to communicate with law enforcement proactively,” Myrick-Stockdell told commissioners.

The proposal, to be deliberated next week by the Maine Public Utilities Commission, is being criticized by consumer privacy advocates and others who think the utility is veering outside its lane.

The nonprofit Electronic Privacy Information Center believes such a regulatory rule would be unconstitutional because the electric utility would be allowed to provide private information about consumers with “no probable cause, no warrant, no judicial review,” Alan Butler, the group’s executive director, told The Associated Press.

The Washington-based group has never heard of a proposal like this, he said, though federal courts have authorized the sharing of consumer data from so-called “smart” electric meters for the limited purposes of managing the power grid.

Jay Stanley, an American Civil Liberties Union privacy expert, compared a utility combing through customer data to an illegal dragnet. “Utilities should not be doing that. They have a duty of protecting their customers’ privacy,” he said.

Historically, the courts have given special privacy protections for what happens inside a home.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 2001 ruled that federal agents’ use of thermal-imaging equipment without a search warrant to detect heat from marijuana grow lights inside an Oregon man’s home was unconstitutional.

The Maine utility regulatory proceeding comes as law enforcement officials target marijuana grow operations in which rural homes are purchased, gutted and transformed into sophisticated, high-yield indoor farms.

All told, 20 states have been dealing with phenomena similar to what’s happening in Maine.

The common denominator is that criminals appear to be taking advantage of laws legalizing marijuana in an attempt to fly under the radar to produce marijuana that’s sold in states where cannabis is illegal. The FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration are investigating any ties these operations might have to criminal syndicates including Chinese organized crime.

In Oklahoma, farms, empty nursing homes, bowling alleys and warehouses were transformed into marijuana production operations after voters legalized cannabis for medical use in 2018. Police began cracking down after realizing straw owners in China and Mexico were running many of the licensed operations, said Mark Woodward, spokesperson for the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics.

In Maine, it looks different with purchases of low-price homes in off-the-beaten-path locations, installations of power-hungry grow equipment and upgraded electrical service to support the operations. Police have taken note of that power consumption. At one of the homes busted in Maine, the monthly electric bill grew from about $300 to nearly nearly $9,000, according to court documents. There were more than 100 of them at one point.

The grow houses operate according to a similar playbook regarding the kinds of residences used and interior set-ups with powerful lights, climate control and chemicals. However, they’re not linked together like a typical franchise arrangement, making it difficult for law enforcement agencies to link them to a single syndicate, Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrew Lizotte told The Associated Press.

In Somerset County, Sheriff Dale Lancaster, whose deputies have executed search warrants on 21 marijuana operations, said law enforcement works best with community support, and he described Versant’s proposal as a “good first step.”

Republican Sen. Susan Collins, who has aggressively pressed the FBI about the illegal marijuana operations, also supports Versant’s efforts to be an ally with law enforcement agencies. “Cooperation between Maine’s electric companies and law enforcement could be of tremendous help to the county sheriffs and other officials who have been working tirelessly to target these illegal grow operations,” she said.

Versant’s proposal was discussed by the Maine Public Utilities Commission earlier this year. Versant pointed out safety concerns for its workers and the public, including potential fires from overheated equipment caused by improper customer installations. Some workers have noted electric meters that were too hot to touch at the illicit operations.

Derek Davidson, a member of the commission staff, mused about the possibility of a threshold for reporting electric consumption spikes to police, but noted that there are sometimes legitimate users “who just have astronomical usage.”

Mark Morisette from Central Maine Power said it “seems like an eerie line to even consider crossing” and backed his call for caution with an example of a 100-fold increase in electricity consumption after a flood, which necessitated temporary heaters and fans to dry it out.

CMP, the state’s largest electric utility, now formally opposes the change but will continue to fully cooperate with law enforcement if customer information is requested through subpoena, said spokesperson Jonathan Breed.

Maine Public Advocate William Harwood is also against the proposal, arguing there are too many legitimate reasons for growing customer consumption such as the installation of heat pumps and electric vehicle charging stations. “We believe that utilities should focus on consumer needs and service to consumers, rather than alerting law enforcement to questionable customer behavior,” he said.
 

hanimmal

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This is really impressive to me. The key is to wind people while staying safe. So easy, just takes patience and practice, and communication.

I could see part of larger communities you could have a dedicated set of people that just train this all day and are on call for mental health response. They wouldn't need to have police try to restrain people because they can't be trained in everything like people are when they train to be athletes and it would take a whole lot of stress off cops.

Get rid of the pain reliance. Just safely maintain control until they gas. Which you can only really do if your ass is not gassing. Gassed people get mad and do stupid shit.



This would be a great career for all those kids that dedicated years wrestling.
 
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hanimmal

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Tough call, you have a couple cops on the other side of the door and this rookie steps to the side of the apartment and sees this guy pulling a gun like this going to the door (which I am guessing is how many paranoid gun owners approach the door these days) and lights him up.

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hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/tyre-nichols-memphis-officers-federal-trial-7b87593e6287139ba0be09a03c11a632
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MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Jury selection was scheduled to begin Monday in the federal trial of three former Memphis officers charged with violating the civil rights of Tyre Nichols, the 29-year-old man whose fatal beating was caught on police cameras while also triggering protests and calls for police reform.

Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley and Justin Smith have pleaded not guilty to charges that they deprived Nichols of his rights through excessive force and failure to intervene, and obstructed justice through witness tampering.

Nichols was pulled over in his car in January 2023, and he ran from police after he was yanked out of the vehicle. Officers caught up with Nichols and pummeled him in a Memphis neighborhood, police video showed.

Jurors will be selected from a pool of about 200 people. The trial is anticipated to last three to four weeks and will draw media from around the country. Nichols’ family is expected to attend the trial.

Nichols, who was Black, died in a hospital on Jan. 10, 2023, three days after he was kicked, punched and hit with a police baton. Police video released later that month showed five officers, who also are Black, beating Nichols as he yelled for his mother about a block from his house. Video also showed the officers milling about and talking with each other as Nichols sat on the ground, struggling with his injuries.

The officers said Nichols was pulled over for reckless driving, but Memphis’ police chief has said there was no evidence to substantiate that claim.

Nichols worked for FedEx, and he enjoyed skateboarding and photography.

An autopsy report showed Nichols died from blows to the head and that the manner of death was homicide. The report described brain injuries and cuts and bruises to the head and other areas.

The three officers now facing trial, along with Emmitt Martin III and Desmond Mills Jr., were fired after Nichols’ death for violating Memphis Police Department policies. They had been members of a crime suppression team called the Scorpion unit, which was disbanded after Nichols’ death.

Shortly after their dismissal, the five officers were charged with second-degree murder in state court, where they pleaded not guilty. They were then indicted by a federal grand jury in September 2023.

Mills and Martin both have pleaded guilty in federal court and they could testify in the trial. A trial date in state court has not been set.
 

hanimmal

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This mother fucker needs to find a new job where he has zero control over any other living being.

The gun going right into the head while choke gripping this guy is bad enough.
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But a few seconds later he is wrenching on this dudes wrist for no reason (at least none that has anything to do with arresting this guy) like a tough guy.

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You are a giant piece of shit Officer Johnson. Maybe take up tree trimming or something, because you're a dangerous radicalized asshole to the police by doing shit like this.

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curious2garden

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This mother fucker needs to find a new job where he has zero control over any other living being.

The gun going right into the head while choke gripping this guy is bad enough.
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But a few seconds later he is wrenching on this dudes wrist for no reason (at least none that has anything to do with arresting this guy) like a tough guy.

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You are a giant piece of shit Officer Johnson. Maybe take up tree trimming or something, because you're a dangerous radicalized asshole to the police by doing shit like this.

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I always thought there might be a simple fix for this and it involves the free market. Require all police officers to carry malpractice insurance just like doctors and nurses. Then legislatively get rid of immunity and the system will right itself in relatively short order. If you can't get insurance or you have to pay more then you make to carry it well you can't work at it.
 

Billy the Mountain

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I always thought there might be a simple fix for this and it involves the free market. Require all police officers to carry malpractice insurance just like doctors and nurses. Then legislatively get rid of immunity and the system will right itself in relatively short order. If you can't get insurance or you have to pay more then you make to carry it well you can't work at it.
YES!!!!

It's a simple and elegant solution to a pervasive problem.

It would certainly eliminate the repeat offenders fairly quickly, as their malpractice insurance would be unavailable or unaffordable.

The concept seems a win/win: Cops have a financial interest in not beating people with relative impunity, and the city/town is no longer on the hook for compensation.

I've brought it up a few times in my town, unsurprisingly it fell upon deaf ears. We have one cop who's caused 4 "payouts" in 5 years (totaling $260K), all on the taxpayer tab, he's still employed, got promoted, no repercussions,
 

Roy O'Bannon

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Wonder what that would do to cost of having police? They don't make much for the risk they are actively involved in.

I was thinking about how medical malpractice and all those insurances drive the cost of healthcare beyond reasonable affordability.
Might end up trending towards private security forces and even more bureaucratic law enforcement that is less effective than ever. Seems like the more you regulate the more people find ways to make it someone else's problem while hanging onto the funds.
 

Billy the Mountain

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Wonder what that would do to cost of having police? They don't make much for the risk they are actively involved in.

I was thinking about how medical malpractice and all those insurances drive the cost of healthcare beyond reasonable affordability.
Might end up trending towards private security forces and even more bureaucratic law enforcement that is less effective than ever. Seems like the more you regulate the more people find ways to make it someone else's problem while hanging onto the funds.
That's certainly not true in my midwest town. The average salary is over 100K/yr, with some making another 60-80K in overtime; and retire at 50 w/ full benefits.

The danger of law enforcement is grossly exaggerated, it doesn't even make the bureau of labor's top 20 list. The perception of the heroic dangers police must endure daily is a carefully manufactured fiction to justify their abhorrent behavior.

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curious2garden

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I've brought it up a few times in my town, unsurprisingly it fell upon deaf ears. We have one cop who's caused 4 "payouts" in 5 years (totaling $260K), all on the taxpayer tab, he's still employed, got promoted, no repercussions,
That's so sad because it seems like something we need right now. I'm glad you brought it up and started the discussion. Gives me hope for the future.
 
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