Dutchmasters Reverse,a study of hermie's.

[panhead]

Anybody use the Reverse & Penetrator,if so to what effect has the useage of these extremely outrageously priced products brought to your grow.

Ive read all the online sales pitch mumbo jumbo & whats spoken about the products online from salesmen,the premise of the products do not match the list of chemicals on the bottle,i tried searching to see if there were some proprity ingredients that could be classified as trade secrets therefore protected under patent laws,i can find none.

I bought the "Reverse" & while reading on it Dutchmasters stresses that it MUST be used in conjunction with another product called "Penetrator" so i bought it also,i got both products from fedex & while reading the contents i still see no ingredient that would be apt to push a plant twords being female,nor to increase the female to male ratio,i also see no ingredients that should work to eleminate any hermraphroditic traights from female plants prone to become hermies.

I grow several strains & one strain (Big Bud) has a tendency to spit out a hermie or two after being in flowering for 60 days or so,if i let the crop go to the point it gives a heavy couch lock buzz then a hermie or 2 are assured,im wanting to control the hermies using Reverse instead of the usual early harvest,only i cant see the stuff doing much of anything from the ingredients listed.

Gimme some feedback folks.

 

[panhead]

Snake Oil ...

Im pretty much in agreement on the snake oil deal but i wasnt expecting results when i bought the stuff,more like having fun playing with it,every where you read they call it a hormone,the stuff is just a very weak fertilizer going by the listed ingredients.

What has me puzzled is what the other ingerdients are though,if it was just plain looking water i'd toss the shit in the garbage but the product they call Penetrator has an oily feel to it,it looks like anti freeze & even has a taste somewhat reminiscient of old time anti freeze with a sweet metalic taste to it.

The Reverse looks like watered down pruple kool aid & has no taste or smell at all.

 

[selmagreen]

Bullshit, reverse kills herms. You can spray at first sine of herm and reapply 10 days later or preventive spray at day 0 of flower and 10 days later.

 

[panhead]

Bullshit, reverse kills herms. You can spray at first sine of herm and reapply 10 days later or preventive spray at day 0 of flower and 10 days later.

Thats good to hear but please come with a better reply than "bullshit",im a guy thats spent $60 on the product so obviously i want it to work but i'd like a little more info if you please.

1 Why does it kill hermies.

2 How does it kill hermies.

3 Why are you so sure it kills hermies.

4 What has it done in your grows.

5 How long have you used the product.

What you just posted is exactly what the manufacturer states about the product,please explain in vivid detail your personal experience with the products.

 

[littlegrower2004]

why not just take out ur 1 or 2 hermies and let the rest finish up to get ur wanted high?

 

[Budsworth]

Why would it kill hermies?? Its supposed to reverse the hermie. That doesnt make any since.

 

[delstele]

I still say snake oil, If it has some kinda *special nute* that's a secret it would have a patten..And getting you too buy two of there product is a marketing gimmick any time I see something that claims super this super that I steer clear unless some one I trust tells me about it.


All the dry ferts you see on store shelves you can use for hydro systems. Are they all created equal?l no but if you read the listed micro and macro nutes for any given product you will come up with all the same nutes you buying premixed from a online vendor or your local hydro store. And most have built in ph ajustment for you as well.

 

[panhead]

I still say snake oil, If it has some kinda *special nute* that's a secret it would have a patten..And getting you too buy two of there product is a marketing gimmick any time I see something that claims super this super that I steer clear unless some one I trust tells me about it.


All the dry ferts you see on store shelves you can use for hydro systems. Are they all created equal?l no but if you read the listed micro and macro nutes for any given product you will come up with all the same nutes you buying premixed from a online vendor or your local hydro store. And most have built in ph ajustment for you as well.

Agreed,i bought the stuff mainly out of boredom & just to have fun,im an anti botique kinda guy who has no dilusions about ultra high priced products like fox farm dirt or ferts.

The thing that got me about the product was the constant talk about it having a hormone in it,when i asked questions to suppliers i got vague answers,standard snake oil type responses,on the off chance it contained a hormone protected under a trade secret i bought the proucts,the shit comes with no real instructions or any explaination of its useage or properties,nor does the manufacturer give any info as to how it's supposed to do what they claim,all these unanswered things i was hoping would be answered with the paperwork that should come with such a product,no paperwork or explaination is included.

Im gonna find out if it works,one of the strains i grow (big bud) likes to pop out a hermie or two in flowering.

 

[capncash]

i have heard really good reviews of this stuff im gonna give it a try

 

[JUNGLEOFEDEN1]

you spray it where and when you see the bannas and aparently it kills only male parts and letting the plant live the rest of its life as a female one of the other forums that im with a guy did a whole test on it and it was very succesfull ,as for the price is it that much$$$how much is it? i have been thinking of getting some of this stuff for my self ,i have a purple sativa that some times turns hermi on me for no reason at all ,but what i did not know was that you had to buy a other product for it as a penatrator ,you could probobly just use soap it acts as a penatrator and a binding agent ,im interested to see if it works for you it should ,from what i have heard from other persons who have used it any way

 

[capncash]

$18 isnt a whole lot to spend. i was told it would work with any wetting agent. doesnt have to be penetrator

 

[FLoJo]

im with you panhead, pretty sure its just another product with great marketing.. still curious to see your findings so i will stick around

 

[panhead]

im with you panhead, pretty sure its just another product with great marketing.. still curious to see your findings so i will stick around

Were going to fing out in another week or so,half have been treated with the Penetrator/Reverse mixture & the other half were left untreated,in 4 more days it gets the 2nd treatment at the 10 day mark, per reccomended manufacturer instructions.

I used enough plants where the results should be better than random numbers.

 

[Bear*rack Olama]

pan head Im not sure how the stuff works but I know that it does...a friend of mine uses Dm nutes and has had to use this a time or two.
Sure you just arent letting the BB run too long when it gets those banannas? That is typically where they come from, most any cannabis strain will do this.

 

[panhead]

pan head Im not sure how the stuff works but I know that it does...a friend of mine uses Dm nutes and has had to use this a time or two.
Sure you just arent letting the BB run too long when it gets those banannas? That is typically where they come from, most any cannabis strain will do this.

Good point & you are correct about big bud,you've also nailed something else,every strain i grow i push into the 3rd month,especially big bud,when big bud is harvested in the reccomended hrvest window i find the smoke to be weak & nothing special,nothing better than street weed,once its pushed into its 3rd month the buds have a 2nd explosion of new calyx's with extremely rapid growth,the extra time also turns the smoke from average to a very kick ass strain to smoke.

What concerns me about the big bud strain is that the numbers of plants that grow nanners in the 3rd month of bud are not in line with my other strains,big bud will grow nanners in like a 10 to 1 ratio against my skunk or top 44 strains that i also take into the 3rd month of budding,the top 44 is also a fast finishing plant as is big bud but the numbers do not match up.

I have a feeling it works also,my point in starting this thread was to hopefully figure out "WHY" it works,from reading the ingredients the Penetrator is nothing more than a wetting agent along with a minute trace of fertilizer,the Reverse liquid is simply a very weak blend of nutrients,i have a pretty good idea that Dutch masters is on to something with these products but i dont believe it's due to some special ingredient or secret ingredients.

I used equal numbers of plants in this experiment,some treated with dutchmasters,some not treated,and an equal number treated with my home made wetting agent (dish soap) & my home made reverse which is as close as i can guess what the ratio's of fertilizer are,hopefully i will see results that differ wildly between the 3 different treatments.

I will get more detailed in this experiment and add lots of info as time goes along,hopefully the info will bring the experiment to a point where the results,if any, can be replicated using off the shelf store bought products.

 

[panhead]

I spent some time in the garden today looking for plants that have showed sex,one things for sure is that something is happening,not just with the dutchmasters treated plants but with the plants i treated with my home made brew.

This is the 1st time i have ever seen any grow from seed where females are showing sex first on a large scale,the only males that were found were in the grow that recieved no foliar spray.

Its too soon to give out percentages,after i do the day 10 treatment i should have info on day 11,the way it sits today is that in the dutchmasters treated grow only females have shown sex,in large percentages also,in the grow treated with home brew only females have shown sex but only about half the percentage as the dutch masters,in the grow not foliar fed anything a few males showed sex as well as a few females.

More to follow.

 

[scrxbandit]

did a good licking on my hermies. NO seeds. liquid lights the shit too

 

[panhead]

Normally i visit my grow every 2 days but since this experiment started & since i have some free time for the holidays ive been going to see them every day.

Todays visit was nothing short of freaky,normally were to expect a 50/50 mix of male vs female ratio when going from seed,obviously give or take a small percentage,ive found this to be true where i have got around 80% female from seed as the max percentage,on the otherhand ive also had the male to female ratio be in the low 30% range of females,never ever have i seen or heard of a grow from seed being 100% female,maybe with a 5 or 10 seed grow but the size of mine there is no way in hell its luck of the draw,the Dutchmasters grow has reached near 100% female ratio,only 2 plants have not showed sex,all others have shown sex very strongly & they are female.

In the grow where i did not foliar spray with anything at all the numbers of females vs males seems in normal range so far,about 50% of the plants have shown sex strongly.

In the grow where i used a home brew foliar treatment the numbers are starting to fall in line with what i would consider normal percentages but the female ratio is still higher than the non treated grow.

With only 2 plants in the Dutch Masters grow that are still needing to show sex i have every reason to believe that they will be females as well & i have not even given the plants their treatment at the 10 day point as reccomended,thee is somerthing happening that is a direct result of the Dutchmasters being sprayed on the plants,of that i am 100% positive,there is no other explaination for the 100% female ratio.

Im going to be updating this thread daily at this point,as well as monitoring the grow daily,whatever has happened has happened in a big way & must be a direct result of the Dutchmasters somehow effecting the plant to force sex to female before sex is chosen to start with being that this is a seed grow,were not talking about getting a hermie to stop producing pollen sacks either were talking about a seed grow,this has me freaked right the fuk out especially since i was expecting no results at all when i bought the product & just bought it out of boredom.

 

[FLoJo]

wow! i will def. be following this... i may have to get me some reverse! great thread panhead +rep

 

[Bear*rack Olama]

wow brother sounds awesome. I know a few other people that may like to see this....