Examples of right wing media propaganda

DIY-HP-LED

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I'd prefer that we let civil lawsuits take them down. FOX paid the settlement because the cost was less than the profit. What Congress could do is loosen the rules regarding media libel for profit. Make it easier to establish and set damages above the annual profit the corporation reported. FOX won't stop unless damages are in the billions. Also, fast track appeals so the fuckers can't just stall it out for years.

What I don't want is for the government to erode our 1A rights.
The same regulations and rules would apply to everybody broadcasting or using a service like cable TV where options are limited. The internet is the public square these days and is as free as the press, more so really. It's who the social media algorithms promote there that counts, for example there are thousands of hours of video uploaded to YouTube every minute, a staggering amount, but they determine what gets seen, it's there, but not promoted.
 

Fogdog

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The same regulations and rules would apply to everybody broadcasting or using a service like cable TV where options are limited. The internet is the public square these days and is as free as the press, more so really. It's who the social media algorithms promote there that counts, for example there are thousands of hours of video uploaded to YouTube every minute, a staggering amount, but they determine what gets seen, it's there, but not promoted.
Government censorship should be limited. End of story. Also, as you say, the amount of lies and libel out there is almost endless. I'd rather my government put resources into helping people. Maybe in Canada there is enthusiasm for the government to do what you say. Not so much in the US.
I think it's better to let this be handled in civil court.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Government censorship should be limited. End of story. Also, as you say, the amount of lies and libel out there is almost endless. I'd rather my government put resources into helping people. Maybe in Canada there is enthusiasm for the government to do what you say. Not so much in the US.
I think it's better to let this be handled in civil court.
I'm not alone in holding these opinions and all laws must be constitutional, many democrats are echoing this and don't like the fact that foxnews gives the republicans billions in free advertising and outright propaganda. They are also echoing Russian disinformation and spreading it which is not making them friends in some quarters.
 

Fogdog

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I'm not alone in holding these opinions and all laws must be constitutional, many democrats are echoing this and don't like the fact that foxnews gives the republicans billions in free advertising and outright propaganda. They are also echoing Russian disinformation and spreading it which is not making them friends in some quarters.
Make it easier for injured parties to sue them and take away their profits. Problem solved.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Government censorship should be limited. End of story. Also, as you say, the amount of lies and libel out there is almost endless. I'd rather my government put resources into helping people. Maybe in Canada there is enthusiasm for the government to do what you say. Not so much in the US.
I think it's better to let this be handled in civil court.
Then there is Elon's lament... :lol: Tell me about it Elon, I don't like the drone regulations, but I know why they must be implemented, the war in Ukraine proves that!

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Make it easier for injured parties to sue them and take away their profits. Problem solved.
I think a variety of solutions will be employed, provided the democrats win a useful majority and I must say the republicans are helping with that quite a bit. Changes to civil law might be among the changes along with tightened regulations, or just enforcing some of the ones that were in the past. Broadcasters under license should be a positive social force and serve their clients, not abuse them with lies that can and do harm them.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Make it easier for injured parties to sue them and take away their profits. Problem solved.
That’s a big ask, even if it is the better way. First we have to find a way to break the near-monopoly on farm-teaming legislators and judges exercised by the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation and such. If there are liberal/democratic counterforces to those pirates, I’m unaware of them. If it’s me, (shrug).

But if what I perceive is near enough to fact, there is a real need for the center-left to engage in a much more vigorous branding campaign and to support up&comers among the legislative and judicial sectors, especially where local and state voters choose judges.

We need to improve the … political ecology? that allows people to bring civil suits that stand a real chance of bringing accountability to the billionaire shakers&movers.

The Dominion settlement was a solid step in the right direction. Without draconian legislation, we are best to build a culture in which the fear of getting taken to the cleaners places some restraint(s) on exploitative employers and media.

It would be nice to see a billionaire banker or two indicted and tried. Even more than senators and CEOs, they have been above the law. “See — this is why repealing Glass-Steagall was a bad idea!”
 

Fogdog

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That’s a big ask, even if it is the better way. First we have to find a way to break the near-monopoly on farm-teaming legislators and judges exercised by the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation and such. If there are liberal/democratic counterforces to those pirates, I’m unaware of them. If it’s me, (shrug).

But if what I perceive is near enough to fact, there is a real need for the center-left to engage in a much more vigorous branding campaign and to support up&comers among the legislative and judicial sectors, especially where local and state voters choose judges.

We need to improve the … political ecology? that allows people to bring civil suits that stand a real chance of bringing accountability to the billionaire shakers&movers.

The Dominion settlement was a solid step in the right direction. Without draconian legislation, we are best to build a culture in which the fear of getting taken to the cleaners places some restraint(s) on exploitative employers and media.

It would be nice to see a billionaire banker or two indicted and tried. Even more than senators and CEOs, they have been above the law. “See — this is why repealing Glass-Steagall was a bad idea!”
To me, it's a much smaller ask than getting the government to regulate speech.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
To me, it's a much smaller ask than getting the government to regulate speech.
The FCC de facto regulated speech via licensing of media outlets. While I do not want to engage the slippery slope toward censorship, I see a need for a less ponderous mechanism than civil suits against entrenched oligarchs for neutralizing harmful liars such as q and anti-public-health.

I’ll be nibbling whiffy cheese and watching the Smartmatic lawsuit with baited breath. They probably hurt themselves with the below, however.

 

Mephisto666

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Even after they called them "cousin fucking terrorists". They killed tens of thousands of their viewers with covid disinformation, to the extent the republicans were becoming concerned about it affecting the election in favor of the vaccinated democrats. When a network plays its viewers as suckers and useful idiots, tries to murder and ruin their lives while fucking the country as a whole, it has got to go and so does its clones. If not for foxnews propaganda the republican party would be a bunch of greedy reality-based assholes and not a bunch of seditionists, lunatics and assorted fascist assholes. In one sense the republicans destroyed themselves, but foxnews helped and nearly destroyed the country for a profit by giving a voice to the worst in the nation instead of the best.
Murdoch & Trump have done more damage/harm to this country than anything/anyone else had accomplished since it's founding.
One a greedy pos and the other a maniac.
A perfect pair for destruction
 

Mephisto666

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Hospitals and other resources for people in mental crisis were chopped by Reagan. It was the start of the pseudolibertarian takeover of the GOP.

For some reason I thought you were hailing from Ireland. My mistake.
I'm Irish and have been here for 29 years, only going back once in awhile to regain some sort of sanity, as I've found this place can drain one's soul.
 

Mephisto666

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Find thee a good Jewish deli and eat a corned beef on rye constructed around three inches of fine-sliced pinkness. Instant soul restorer.
Actually I know this bar/restaurant that makes this pastrami sandwich on Jewish rye bread with caraway seeds of course, that is outstanding.
Around 3" of lean meat with mustard and a little homemade coleslaw on top is fucking awesome.

1st thing though as an aperitif you should have a few hits of good herb and a pint or 3 of a good amber ale to wash it down.

That definitely has restorative properties
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Actually I know this bar/restaurant that makes this pastrami sandwich on Jewish rye bread with caraway seeds of course, that is outstanding.
Around 3" of lean meat with mustard and a little homemade coleslaw on top is fucking awesome.

1st thing though as an aperitif you should have a few hits of good herb and a pint or 3 of a good amber ale to wash it down.

That definitely has restorative properties
I don’t groove on ambers or dark beers in general. (Similarly I find coffee repellent.) But a nice pale bitter or ideally an Imperial Pilsner and now we’re talkin!
 

Fogdog

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The FCC de facto regulated speech via licensing of media outlets. While I do not want to engage the slippery slope toward censorship, I see a need for a less ponderous mechanism than civil suits against entrenched oligarchs for neutralizing harmful liars such as q and anti-public-health.

I’ll be nibbling whiffy cheese and watching the Smartmatic lawsuit with baited breath. They probably hurt themselves with the below, however.

The easy path has its own risks. The path that uses government censorship has to be walled off and people need to find another way. End of story. If Trump had taken office in 2016 with the ability to enforce censorship he would have shut down all ability to discuss anything he didn't approve of. It's hard to imagine the US doing worse than we did during the Covid pandemic. But Trump had the power to quash any discussion of masks or vaccines or how stupid an idea it is to rely on hydroxyquinone as a cure or even count and report how many people were dying due to Covid, it would have been worse and Trump did try to do that.

I'm suggesting tuning the civil lawsuit process as a cure because it's already there and shows it can work. It also has pitfalls and would need careful thought, testing and tuning assuming it can work at all. Maybe there are better answers. But censorship has been proven to cause more problems than it solves except for authoritarian regimes.

People are smart enough to figure out how to solve problems in spite of constraints. I think the lack of will to solve the problem of propaganda today is a larger obstacle to solving the problem than a strict interpretation of the 1A is.
 
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