"pH lockout does not exist"

[Kassiopeija]

Indifferent Cation and anion exchange?

yes, they can regulate rhizosphere by throwing out unwanted kat- or anions, that's why medium can fluctuate and why form of N (nitrate or ammonia) is important (or say, makes a difference)
U see in the chart(s) on the plasmalemma sit antiports (they just throw stuff out, esp. Na) but there's also symports...
But all this with moderation, some ports can only carry very low, some high (like 2-3 orders of magnitude) but it's still "just finetuning" if you think about how a grower could throw ions at it if "picking up a wrong bottle"

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

One of my favorite poets is Edgar Allen Poo.

You mean Edgar Allen pH.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

yes, they can regulate rhizosphere by throwing out unwanted kat- or anions, that's why medium can fluctuate and why form of N (nitrate or ammonia) is important (or say, makes a difference)
U see in the chart(s) on the plasmalemma sit antiports (they just throw stuff out, esp. Na) but there's also symports...
But all this with moderation, some ports can only carry very low, some high (like 2-3 orders of magnitude) but it's still "just finetuning" if you think about how a grower could throw ions at it if "picking up a wrong bottle"

Kations? Lol

 

[PJ Diaz]

you need to take a little bit of money into the hand and buy proper textbooks.

Or not: https://pdfcoffee.com/howard-m-resh-hydroponic-food-production-pdf-free.html

 

[PJ Diaz]

You mean Edgar Allen pH.

Pff

 

[crimsonecho]

because that chart alone holds many different associations regarding pH and if you don't know this but it interests you then you know where to go. I'm just giving you a direction, but you need to take a little bit of money into the hand and buy proper textbooks. The info's online are not complete, it's just cut-out, although there are some good basic guide like on the Med-Teks page.
Sometimes studies are nice to illustrate an isolate point, for example one new study on cannabis illustrates how medium pH in organics can drop by -1.0 on average within a month. So even in organics it can matter, but it mustn't. There's a huge difference between outdoor, what kind of soil u use, fert, even bacteria culture... impossible to figure out these things at your home w/o lab. Or in forums, studies/books is where you get valid info from experts. But it's not needed at all for practical purposes. Most found their way by trial & error & build their theoretical explanations of why it works afterwards.

pH affects stability of chelating agents, nute profile shifts in antagonisms or synergy, MO cultures and alot more.
The people that claim "I don't pH" put very likely alkaline tap into soil which counter-balances the natural acidification in organics and therefore "do pH" as well.
These that use mineralic fertilizer also pH with that, most bottles will change to slightly acidic.

dude i’m reading so many studies its feeling like i’m back at college if you have some good ones do please post it though. yeah i actually use distilled water from my dehums and don’t ph but i see how carbonates from tap water can balance that out. i still will not bother with ph in organics. though hydro would be different there arent any microbes there.

 

[bam0813]

Alright this might be stupid but I’ll try to get my thoughts across as far as soil. Not all organic soil is equal obviously. I agree with everyone saying not needed in living organic soil. My question is , do you guys feel a bag of organic soil is living enough for this ph omission imo it’s nothing like a true living organic soil that’s been developed over long periods of time. Thoughts?

 

[0potato0]

Kick it if it moves it's alive

 

[Wattzzup]

Alright this might be stupid but I’ll try to get my thoughts across as far as soil. Not all organ soil is equal obviously. I agree with everyone saying not needed in living organic soil. My question is , do you guys feel a bag of organic soil is living enough for this ph omission imo it’s nothing like a true living organic soil that’s been developed over long periods of time. Thoughts?

The bags have buffers in them for ph already. So yes

 

[0potato0]

Pō not pü.

Pō = Poe.
Pü = Poo.

Poe is also the evil Teletubbie

 

[bam0813]

And these buffers last a full grow? Just asking cause I’m in bag soil now indoors so don’t want issues lol I ph feed
Edit: I have been lately

 

[Kassiopeija]

found this here long time ago sorry was wrong link

aha now it all forms a picture!
the systematics & theories presented in the Aptus bible (+ your link/pic) are based/inspired by the works of the esoteric Rudolf Steiner.

That stuff isn't correct, e.g. Si isn't an essential at all, it's "only" a beneficial for cannabis, it could be missing entirely without any apparent deficiency

The anthroposophical practices still are used by e.g. Demeter, that's really good food but excessively expensive as well ....

 

[0potato0]

aha now it all forms a picture!
the systematics & theories presented in the Aptus bible (+ your link/pic) are based/inspired by the works of the esoteric Rudolf Steiner.

That stuff isn't correct, e.g. Si isn't an essential at all, it's "only" a beneficial for cannabis, it could be missing entirely without any apparent deficiency

The anthroposophical practices still are used by e.g. Demeter, that's really good food but excessively expensive as well ....

Heh my whole life has been a lie

 

[Kassiopeija]

Heh my whole life has been a lie

so are u an anthroposophist or into scientology?

 

[0potato0]

so are u an anthroposophist or into scientology?

 

[Coldnasty]

Water and mineral salts first enter through the cell wall and cell membrane of the root hair cell by osmosis.
ok does that water pH have any effect? you don't know stfu crimson
Root hair cells are outgrowths at the tips of plants' roots (Figure 5.27). They function solely to take up water and mineral salts.
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Now you fkn arrogant little shitstain....those root cells, they need water to do shit right? stfu you don't even know this part. The root cells need to make ATP, that's her fkn chart....whether it's root cells, ur precious pretty fkn thc loaded fat cola instagram pics you love so fkn much, or a leaf cell...it needs hydrogen ions and those are provided by the water.
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this chart, says if the ion balance is off it can affect the availability of other cellular actions needed. That's fkn lock out asshat! what did you think "lock out" meant the roots don't take it up from the soil? That's what you thought lock out meant didn't you?! you thought the plant just wont take it up. Wrong jackass, pH lockout means the cells can't complete the kreb cycle...you don't even fkn know what the Kreb cycle is do you?!
and you fkn wanna come at me?! well son, i just learned you up...whatcha gonna do? look for an angle in this post to fight back? i have soil to mix today...hurry the fk up

 

[Coldnasty]

Edit. That was meant to be me laughing my azz off again

 

[mudballs]

I gave the guy like 3 outs

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Alright this might be stupid but I’ll try to get my thoughts across as far as soil. Not all organic soil is equal obviously. I agree with everyone saying not needed in living organic soil. My question is , do you guys feel a bag of organic soil is living enough for this ph omission imo it’s nothing like a true living organic soil that’s been developed over long periods of time. Thoughts?

I bought bas 3.0. It was living enough to start, but you need to keep adding more microbial life, insects, worms, enzymes. It all helps break shit down.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Kations? Lol

I think that's just the German spelling.