Anyone else watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial?

[Herb & Suds]

Looks like a criminal lineup

 

[Budley Doright]

I’m reading this thread and the whole time I’m thinking how the fuck is there even a discussion about his guilt? He was a 17 year old kid who wanted to get all Rambo just like he did every day in his mom’s basement playing his favourite FPS game. The fuck is wrong when a kid can carry an illegal AR down the street in the midst of a riot and the cops just wave him on? ….. yup that 2nd amendment sure is a great nation builder……. MAGA!

 

[Budley Doright]

Ok chores complete . Now to elaborate, defending ones property in the midst of what was happening is ok with a firearm, I guess according to your 2nd amendment. But this kid was not protecting his (or his friends) property. He went for a stroll to do some hunting and I doubt he expected to shoot a white guy ….. oppsie. I wonder how many people of colour were walking down the street with an AR and the cops were waiving at them? Anyone who condones what he did should look in the mirror and wonder, am I possibly part of what’s wrong with the US. As for the victim being a pedo, well he could have just as easily been the sole parent of a few young kids so that is a bullshit excuse that should not be part of the discussion.

 

[BodegaBud]

I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that he shouldn’t have been there at that age. The issue is if it was self defense and I have been watching the trial and everything in my mind if I was on the jury so far would point to yes. I think people get too caught up in the political issues of that night and sides. In fact we have more evidence than the jury because we know things that they don’t like the first guy just got out of a psych ward, was in prison for 10 years for raping little boys, and had a violent history. The other two were also convicted felons and the guy that pulled a gun on Kyle just like Kyle was not legally able to own one
so it was no different. Also the skater guy too had a violent history of beating his girlfriends and arrests.
I tried to put myself on both sides even switching the reason why they were there and there was no doubt in my mind it’s self defense. I think there are other things they can get him on but not the shootings. That’s just my opinion at trying to look at it without bias or emotions. If I am incorrect in anything I said please point it out. Try to imagine that the people were involved were there for the opposite reason and see if you can with an unbiased mind fairly say innocent or guilty on the list of charges. Regardless of why he was there I can’t imagine him or anyone else in that position not defending themselves under the exact same circumstances. The face is nobody should of been there past curfew and Rittenhouse wasn’t the only one armed that night illegally. Just my $.02

 

[HGCC]

Proud Boys & Boogaloo = FB I

Yeah, your white power gangs are full of snitch ass bitches.

Not sure I would celebrate that.

 

[madvillian420]

I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that he shouldn’t have been there at that age. The issue is if it was self defense and I have been watching the trial and everything in my mind if I was on the jury so far would point to yes. I think people get too caught up in the political issues of that night and sides. In fact we have more evidence than the jury because we know things that they don’t like the first guy just got out of a psych ward, was in prison for 10 years for raping little boys, and had a violent history. The other two were also convicted felons and the guy that pulled a gun on Kyle just like Kyle was not legally able to own one
so it was no different. Also the skater guy too had a violent history of beating his girlfriends and arrests.
I tried to put myself on both sides even switching the reason why they were there and there was no doubt in my mind it’s self defense. I think there are other things they can get him on but not the shootings. That’s just my opinion at trying to look at it without bias or emotions. If I am incorrect in anything I said please point it out. Try to imagine that the people were involved were there for the opposite reason and see if you can with an unbiased mind fairly say innocent or guilty on the list of charges. Regardless of why he was there I can’t imagine him or anyone else in that position not defending themselves under the exact same circumstances. The face is nobody should of been there past curfew and Rittenhouse wasn’t the only one armed that night illegally. Just my $.02

That all sounds WAY too nuanced, logical and thought out. We pick a side and call people names here sir. You sure youre not a white supremacist righty or whatever?

 

[potroastV2]

I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that he shouldn’t have been there at that age. The issue is if it was self defense and I have been watching the trial and everything in my mind if I was on the jury so far would point to yes. I think people get too caught up in the political issues of that night and sides. In fact we have more evidence than the jury because we know things that they don’t like the first guy just got out of a psych ward, was in prison for 10 years for raping little boys, and had a violent history. The other two were also convicted felons and the guy that pulled a gun on Kyle just like Kyle was not legally able to own one
so it was no different. Also the skater guy too had a violent history of beating his girlfriends and arrests.
I tried to put myself on both sides even switching the reason why they were there and there was no doubt in my mind it’s self defense. I think there are other things they can get him on but not the shootings. That’s just my opinion at trying to look at it without bias or emotions. If I am incorrect in anything I said please point it out. Try to imagine that the people were involved were there for the opposite reason and see if you can with an unbiased mind fairly say innocent or guilty on the list of charges. Regardless of why he was there I can’t imagine him or anyone else in that position not defending themselves under the exact same circumstances. The face is nobody should of been there past curfew and Rittenhouse wasn’t the only one armed that night illegally. Just my $.02

That all sounds WAY too nuanced, logical and thought out. We pick a side and call people names here sir. You sure youre not a white supremacist righty or whatever?

You're both correct ...


simpletons are easily duped!

 

[mooray]

That all sounds WAY too nuanced, logical and thought out. We pick a side and call people names here sir. You sure youre not a white supremacist righty or whatever?

It's not nuanced. It's a general view completely irrelevant to law. You guys realize this is a court case? You realize the kid is charged with specific crimes? And you realize those specific crimes have specific definitions? Because, court cases aren't just, "here watch this video and vote how you think". If you're really interested, lookup the charges, lookup the definitions, then see what evidence you think fits and what doesn't.

 

[BodegaBud]

You're both correct ...


simpletons are easily duped!

I don’t know if it’s duped or just being biased because it’s an emotionally charged case and the topic brings out strong feelings regardless where you stand on it. I think also the fact that he had an AR-15 also upsets people. The fact is he only fired 8 rounds that night and could of just as easily done the exact same thing with pistol. I find wrongs like he shouldn’t of been there armed but at the same time nobody was supposed to be there and he wasn’t the only one armed. I cringe at the fact that he was 17 but he wasn’t the only juvenile there that night. No matter how you look at it, it’s just a fucked situation and sucks that it happened. I wish we never would of heard of the kid and nobody got shot that night. But that’s not reality and so I’m just trying to look at it fairly.

 

[madvillian420]

I don’t know if it’s duped or just being biased because it’s an emotionally charged case and the topic brings out strong feelings regardless where you stand on it. I think also the fact that he had an AR-15 also upsets people. The fact is he only fired 8 rounds that night and could of just as easily done the exact same thing with pistol. I find wrongs like he shouldn’t of been there armed but at the same time nobody was supposed to be there and he wasn’t the only one armed. I cringe at the fact that he was 17 but he wasn’t the only juvenile there that night. No matter how you look at it, it’s just a fucked situation and sucks that it happened. I wish we never would of heard of the kid and nobody got shot that night. But that’s not reality and so I’m just trying to look at it fairly.

i think you mean a MACHINE GUN!!!!!!!!!

 

[BodegaBud]

It's not nuanced. It's a general view completely irrelevant to law. You guys realize this is a court case? You realize the kid is charged with specific crimes? And you realize those specific crimes have specific definitions? Because, court cases aren't just, "here watch this video and vote how you think". If you're really interested, lookup the charges, lookup the definitions, then see what evidence you think fits and what doesn't.

That's my point. For self defense I don’t think that’s an issue. They can get him for illegal possession by a minor but the need to go after the guy that was shot for felon in possession or the DA is being biased. I see the DA trying to make a case out the fact that one cinematographer was in the line of fire yo prove one of the charges but I’m not sure if that will stick. The reason being did Rittenhouse known he was endangering others aside from the guy he intended to shoot when he pulled the trigger and was it a justified risk given the fact of the immediate threat. That I can’t speculate how the jury will decide.

 

[mooray]

That's my point. For self defense I don’t think that’s an issue. They can get him for illegal possession by a minor but the need to go after the guy that was shot for felon in possession or the DA is being biased. I see the DA trying to make a case out the fact that one cinematographer was in the line of fire yo prove one of the charges but I’m not sure if that will stick. The reason being did Rittenhouse known he was endangering others aside from the guy he intended to shoot when he pulled the trigger and was it a justified risk given the fact of the immediate threat. That I can’t speculate how the jury will decide.

Do you think that a minor in possession of a deadly weapon going out into the streets, so...this is a criminal now with a gun is what we're talking about from the very start, do you think that person going out into the street, is showing a disregard for the safety of others? Or, is that something they teach you to do in the ol' hunter's safety class..? Or would they teach you something like that in a modern day ccw class?

 

[hanimmal]

I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that he shouldn’t have been there at that age. The issue is if it was self defense and I have been watching the trial and everything in my mind if I was on the jury so far would point to yes. I think people get too caught up in the political issues of that night and sides. In fact we have more evidence than the jury because we know things that they don’t like the first guy just got out of a psych ward, was in prison for 10 years for raping little boys, and had a violent history. The other two were also convicted felons and the guy that pulled a gun on Kyle just like Kyle was not legally able to own one
so it was no different. Also the skater guy too had a violent history of beating his girlfriends and arrests.
I tried to put myself on both sides even switching the reason why they were there and there was no doubt in my mind it’s self defense. I think there are other things they can get him on but not the shootings. That’s just my opinion at trying to look at it without bias or emotions. If I am incorrect in anything I said please point it out. Try to imagine that the people were involved were there for the opposite reason and see if you can with an unbiased mind fairly say innocent or guilty on the list of charges. Regardless of why he was there I can’t imagine him or anyone else in that position not defending themselves under the exact same circumstances. The face is nobody should of been there past curfew and Rittenhouse wasn’t the only one armed that night illegally. Just my $.02

For real then are you equally ok with Jay Danielson killing that "Patriot Prayer" Trump supporter in Portland around the same time last year? The one that Trump got killed?

I don’t know if it’s duped or just being biased because it’s an emotionally charged case and the topic brings out strong feelings regardless where you stand on it. I think also the fact that he had an AR-15 also upsets people. The fact is he only fired 8 rounds that night and could of just as easily done the exact same thing with pistol. I find wrongs like he shouldn’t of been there armed but at the same time nobody was supposed to be there and he wasn’t the only one armed. I cringe at the fact that he was 17 but he wasn’t the only juvenile there that night. No matter how you look at it, it’s just a fucked situation and sucks that it happened. I wish we never would of heard of the kid and nobody got shot that night. But that’s not reality and so I’m just trying to look at it fairly.

You don't think that if that guy with a gun was actually trying to harm Rittenhouse that they would not have just used their gun that was in their hand prior to getting shot?

That all sounds WAY too nuanced, logical and thought out. We pick a side and call people names here sir. You sure youre not a white supremacist righty or whatever?

 

[BodegaBud]

i think you mean a MACHINE GUN!!!!!!!!!

Well that’s one of things that sways opinion because of the kind of gun he used. Had he used a pistol to fire those 8 rounds it would of looked better for him.
One thing that I learned during this trial is about all the other gunshots during that time. I had heard them on videos but assumed it was Rittenhouse. I was amazed to find out he didn’t fire first and only fired 8 times. That is definitely going to help him because it sounded like others were shooting at him

 

[madvillian420]

You don't think that if that guy with a gun was actually trying to harm Rittenhouse that they would not have just used their gun that was in their hand prior to getting shot?

they did. rounds were fired. Its harder to hit a moving target with a shitty pistol than a rifle. the dude with one bicep left was a shitty shot i guess. probably much worse now with 1 arm lol.

 

[hanimmal]

they did. rounds were fired. Its harder to hit a moving target with a shitty pistol than a rifle. the dude with one bicep left was a shitty shot i guess. probably much worse now with 1 arm lol.

No they didn't, the guy was right ontop of him and didn't shoot Rittenhouse even after getting shot himself. You are just making shit up now to pretend like this idiot kid should get off because he got spooked and started dropping bodies.

 

[BodegaBud]

Do you that a minor in possession of a deadly weapon going out into the streets, so...this is a criminal now with a gun is what we're talking about from the very start, do you think that person going out into the street, is showing a disregard for the safety of others? Or, is that something they teach you to do in the ol' hunter's safety class..? Or would they teach you something like that in a modern day ccw class?

Minor in possession is not a felony. I think it was stupid for anyone to be out there that night after curfew. One thing that I think they will have to decide is intent. Did he go down there looking for a fight or was he really just trying to protect a business. There were a couple of times on the videos where people engaged him looking for a fight and he in one walked away and in another responded to somebody talking shit “ I love you too.” I don’t see intent or as someone else said “ Hunting” because he turned down the opportunity several times. People were throwing tear gas bombs on them, hurling rocks,lighting fires, ect and he never fired around until he was chased and another guy fired off rounds.

 

[hanimmal]

Minor in possession is not a felony. I think it was stupid for anyone to be out there that night after curfew. One thing that I think they will have to decide is intent. Did he go down there looking for a fight or was he really just trying to protect a business. There were a couple of times on the videos where people engaged him looking for a fight and he in one walked away and in another responded to somebody talking shit “ I love you too.” I don’t see intent or as someone else said “ Hunting” because he turned down the opportunity several times. People were throwing tear gas bombs on them, hurling rocks,lighting fires, ect and he never fired around until he was chased and another guy fired off rounds.

The friend selling him the gun illegally I believe is the felony.

I wonder if the judge is going to allow the video of Rittenhouse saying he wished he had his AR to start blowing people away when he thought they were ripping off the CVS.

Would you be ok if some 17 year old kid from a different state went and stood outside projects somewhere with a gun and waited for someone to 'scare' him and started picking people off?

ps You never said, are you equally ok with the guy that killed the Trump supporter in Portland?

 

[mooray]

Minor in possession is not a felony. I think it was stupid for anyone to be out there that night after curfew. One thing that I think they will have to decide is intent. Did he go down there looking for a fight or was he really just trying to protect a business. There were a couple of times on the videos where people engaged him looking for a fight and he in one walked away and in another responded to somebody talking shit “ I love you too.” I don’t see intent or as someone else said “ Hunting” because he turned down the opportunity several times. People were throwing tear gas bombs on them, hurling rocks,lighting fires, ect and he never fired around until he was chased and another guy fired off rounds.

I didn't ask if it was a felony. I asked if you think a minor in possession of a deadly weapon illegally going out into the streets is showing a disregard for the safety of others. Do you? Please answer this.

 

[madvillian420]

No they didn't, the guy was right ontop of him and didn't shoot Rittenhouse even after getting shot himself. You are just making shit up now to pretend like this idiot kid should get off because he got spooked and started dropping bodies.

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i never saw the picture of him crying. fucking great lol. I guess kyle was better at "playing soldier in the streets" eh?