Afganistan Collapse

Lucky Luke

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The history that Moore laid out in his documentary is correct. I don't know how you get to where the Taliban are blameless from all of that.
They had nothing to do with 9/11.
US gov asked them to hand over Bin Laden. Taliban asked for proof he was behind 9/11. America could not supply any. America invaded for the pipeline using Bin Laden as the excuse they needed.
So much wasted life and money for one man? A man they then kill and dispose of the body? Dead men tell no tales.
 

HGCC

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Facebook only started about 2005. Society went downhill from there.
I recall when it was only college kids and you needed an .edu email to sign up, 2002 or 3 maybe?

Why did the rate hot chick's and find parties websitr have to turn into the horse medicine information station.

Edit: nevermind, I was wrong. Could have swore it was a thing as an undergrad.
 

Fogdog

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They had nothing to do with 9/11.
US gov asked them to hand over Bin Laden. Taliban asked for proof he was behind 9/11. America could not supply any. America invaded for the pipeline using Bin Laden as the excuse they needed.
So much wasted life and money for one man? A man they then kill and dispose of the body? Dead men tell no tales.
I sat through that documentary and there was no argument against invading Afghanistan, in fact the complaint was that Bush jr's big talk did not match the commitment he made in terms of military resources. I listening to the news at the time and everything discussed in Moore's documentary was part of the news cycle. There was no doubt about Bin Laden's guilt. But you believe what you like.

The documentary did talk about an apparent deal made through Shrub to Halliburton to build the pipeline. It makes Shrub out to be soft on the Taliban because of that. That was the point Moore was making. Shrub was already planning to invade Iraq at the time of the twin towers disaster and Afghanistan was the excuse he wanted.

Was that pipeline ever built?
 

printer

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Trump: US should take military action if Taliban don't return billions in equipment
"Never in history has a withdrawal from war been handled so badly or incompetently as the Biden Administration’s withdrawal from Afghanistan. In addition to the obvious, ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost," Trump said in a statement.

"If it is not handed back, we should either go in with unequivocal Military force and get it, or at least bomb the hell out of it. Nobody ever thought such stupidity, as this feeble-brained withdrawal, was possible!" he added.

After the Afghan government fell to the Taliban, it was reported that billions in U.S. weaponry had been seized by the Taliban, including guns, cars and numerous aircraft. The aircraft are virtually useless without training, though their seizure likely gives the Taliban propaganda tools.

As of June 30, Afghan forces are believed to have had 211 aircrafts in their inventory that were supplied by the U.S. At least 46 of those aircrafts are now in Uzbekistan after Afghan troops used them to flee the Taliban.

“We don't have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone, but certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban,” said White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan in an interview earlier this month. “And obviously, we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport.”

GOP Reps. James Comer (Ky.) and Rep. Glenn Grothman (Wis.) — both members of the House Oversight and Reform Committee — sent a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin last week requesting information on the Pentagon's plans to recover these weapons.

“We are left wondering if the Biden Administration has a plan to prevent the Taliban from using our weapons against the U.S. or its allies, or selling them to foreign adversaries, like China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea,” the lawmakers wrote.

 

hanimmal

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I recall when it was only college kids and you needed an .edu email to sign up, 2002 or 3 maybe?

Why did the rate hot chick's and find parties websitr have to turn into the horse medicine information station.

Edit: nevermind, I was wrong. Could have swore it was a thing as an undergrad.
No you are correct, 2004 though.
 

topcat

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Trump: US should take military action if Taliban don't return billions in equipment
"Never in history has a withdrawal from war been handled so badly or incompetently as the Biden Administration’s withdrawal from Afghanistan. In addition to the obvious, ALL EQUIPMENT should be demanded to be immediately returned to the United States, and that includes every penny of the $85 billion dollars in cost," Trump said in a statement.

"If it is not handed back, we should either go in with unequivocal Military force and get it, or at least bomb the hell out of it. Nobody ever thought such stupidity, as this feeble-brained withdrawal, was possible!" he added.

After the Afghan government fell to the Taliban, it was reported that billions in U.S. weaponry had been seized by the Taliban, including guns, cars and numerous aircraft. The aircraft are virtually useless without training, though their seizure likely gives the Taliban propaganda tools.

As of June 30, Afghan forces are believed to have had 211 aircrafts in their inventory that were supplied by the U.S. At least 46 of those aircrafts are now in Uzbekistan after Afghan troops used them to flee the Taliban.

“We don't have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone, but certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban,” said White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan in an interview earlier this month. “And obviously, we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport.”

GOP Reps. James Comer (Ky.) and Rep. Glenn Grothman (Wis.) — both members of the House Oversight and Reform Committee — sent a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin last week requesting information on the Pentagon's plans to recover these weapons.

“We are left wondering if the Biden Administration has a plan to prevent the Taliban from using our weapons against the U.S. or its allies, or selling them to foreign adversaries, like China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea,” the lawmakers wrote.

Consider the source. A failure at everything he's ever tried. The puke is desperate. He needs to be president to stay out of jail.
 

Lucky Luke

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I sat through that documentary and there was no argument against invading Afghanistan, in fact the complaint was that Bush jr's big talk did not match the commitment he made in terms of military resources. I listening to the news at the time and everything discussed in Moore's documentary was part of the news cycle. There was no doubt about Bin Laden's guilt. But you believe what you like.

The documentary did talk about an apparent deal made through Shrub to Halliburton to build the pipeline. It makes Shrub out to be soft on the Taliban because of that. That was the point Moore was making. Shrub was already planning to invade Iraq at the time of the twin towers disaster and Afghanistan was the excuse he wanted.

Was that pipeline ever built?
Im glad you gave it a watch. There's not much concrete proof that Bin Laden was responsible IMO, at least i haven't seen it. But either way was one person living in a country enough warrant to invade a sovereign country, costing many, many more lives than 9-11 did? Would of made much more sense to just put some spies on the ground and then kidnap him or just kill him. Similar to what the Israelis' do.

The end just didn't fit the means. The loser 20 years later is still America and its allies.
 

Fogdog

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Im glad you gave it a watch. There's not much concrete proof that Bin Laden was responsible IMO, at least i haven't seen it. But either way was one person living in a country enough warrant to invade a sovereign country, costing many, many more lives than 9-11 did? Would of made much more sense to just put some spies on the ground and then kidnap him or just kill him. Similar to what the Israelis' do.
The end just didn't fit the means. The loser 20 years later is still America and its allies. Saudi Arabia got off scott free..
We've gone around this block before. I don't know of any country that would have just let the attack go unanswered. For 18 of those 20 years, we should not have been there.
 

nuskool89

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Just one of many stories that will inevitably become so common we become numb to it. Pretty incredible to imagine how many people bitch and moan through life feeling entitled to zero discomfort or inconvenience ever; while some people get shot in the street for being a musician or comedian

 

Lucky Luke

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We've gone around this block before. I don't know of any country that would have just let the attack go unanswered. For 18 of those 20 years, we should not have been there.
it shouldn't of gone unanswered but Afghanistan didn't do it.
 
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