Where am I
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Good luck with that... Sorry no genetic is worth that much unless maybe the flowers came out pure gold and I mean real gold.
HLG Saber vs Amare SB800, Wedding cake RDWC
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Mikenike
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I paid $60 for my packs from him on sale... lol I wouldn’t dare pay 250+ for a pack of seeds
hybridway2
Amare Shill
I've seen heads pay up to 800 for a Clone.
Dunno about seeds. Seeds are so unpredictable, idk.
What's this guy some kinda breeding Super-Star?
Mikenike
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He makes S1s of elite/hype clones that have very low germ rates compared to STS and CS and they’re supposed to be extremely close if not better that the plant he S1’ed. I’m running a whole pack from him now to see how identical they all are to each other. He says for a 10 pack you should only have to pop 2-3 seeds instead of all ten to find a keeper/winner. Plus alot of the hype breeders hate him and have talked shit lol so he must be doing somethin. He doesn’t just have copies of other people’s stuff tho, tons of his own crosses and whatnot. Idk I’m gonna find out what all the talk is about
hybridway2
Amare Shill
My friend knows a big time scientist grower out here that clones from tissue samples in a peachtree dish. Idk how exactly but he does it. One snip with a paper hole puncher & that little circle goes in the dish. 2 weeks later, Walla, a plant with stability & originality.
Same guy takes a plant few weeks before harvest, hangs it upside down, hit it with Nitrogen, makes all the thc fall off, puts the plant under 190ish•F heat lamps for an hour or 2 (idk details) then back into flower where it reproduces the thc enough to sell the bud a couple hundo less but maximizes the plant & material.
The future holds some crazy stuff.
Where am I
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Heck !
I got seeds from the early 80's ( maybe mid 70"s) sitting in one of those 35 mm black film canister... I popped one a few years back. It was a male but it had 9 fingered leaves bigger than my hand. We called it the old schooled exotic.
Pure snake oil. I reverse all the time using silver thiosulfide. There's no magic to it. @xtsho reverses quite a bit too and also has a history with plant auxins. I wonder what he thinks. Source the, or a, cut, reverse it yourself and see if what he says holds true.
I really dislike greed so I could be unfair here.
It's a petrie dish, absolutely no offense intended, essentially its cloning on a microscopic scale using agar medium. I've considered tissue culture for cloning.
xtsho
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What do I think? I think the guy is just trying to sell seeds and will say he's got some super secret method for reversing because some people will believe him and pay ridiculous prices. I think it's a load of crap. But the cannabis growing industry is so full of crap that it's hard to find another industry as bad. I put it side by side with shady used car dealerships. Maybe 20% truth and 80% crap.
" He claims to use a special blend of natural hormones to self plants with very low germ rates passed on to the seeds where STS and CS generally have a 50% herm rate "
That is completely false. Seeds made using pollen from a plant that was reversed using STS and CS do not have a 50% herm rate.
I had quite a rant going but I deleted it since I don't want to muck up the OP's thread.
monkeychief
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Very nice setup and grow @Mikenike
The efficiency difference or lack of between the AMARE and Sabers is possibly due to the difference in operating temps. The Amare's wide bars increase the surface area and distance between the rows and diodes will dissipate heat more efficiently. This will also help distribute the intensity more evenly and allow the light to operate closer to the canopy. There's up to a 9% difference in efficiency between 25C and 85C operating temps. Heat will always be a major determining factor in overall efficiency and reliability.
hybridway2
Amare Shill
This is what i have been stressing lately in regards to longevity before the 20% reduction in the majority of todays led fixtures.
Some seem to think tha Gavita thermal Mngmt is sufficient (because today it shows good par) but what about next yr & the yr after. Fluence too for that matter. I know what the Sabers are, they are the Protos. Which by all means are bright AF, grow great. But for how long with those operating temps ya know?
Mike, did you do the IR gun by any chance. I doubt Sabers got that kind've depreciation already. Gotta be the par meter. Keep us posted. That's quite the jump or reduction?
Check drivers?
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Where am I
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Can you clarify on Protos? Wouldn't a good test be to put each light in a tent or similar enclosure and then record the temps over a substantial time period or until the temps stabilized? I have used an IR gun to measure the floor top of canopy and the the roof of my tents and there is quite a bit of temperature difference.
Where am I
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The wider the LED's are a part the better the efficiency?
hybridway2
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Yes, i was referring to using an ir gun onte heatsinks in a still air, environment. I have done this to compare the passive fixtures in my room.
The Protos are the Bar-8 Prototypes. Lightweight, very similiar design & spectrun as the Sabers.
Yes, i was referring to using an ir gun onte heatsinks in a still air, environment. I have done this to compare the passive fixtures in my room.
Not to answer for him but yes. They are farther apart from each other, hence dissipating the heat farther before effectim the neighboring diode. X3 Rows with a decent spread to them. Increases efficiency as well as longevity & coverage.
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Mikenike
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Okay forget about the seeds lol idk anything about breeding and paid a low price for them and just hope they’re good.
lights have been on for 5 hours now and both sides are reading 450ppfd at 400w each. Top of heat sinks read 98f for both and hlg bottom (Between diodes) reads 96 while Amare reads 87. Not sure if my when my ac kicked in but I’ll have to get readings later since the cool air blows across the top of both lights. Readings were done ona middle bar for both
lights have been on for 5 hours now and both sides are reading 450ppfd at 400w each. Top of heat sinks read 98f for both and hlg bottom (Between diodes) reads 96 while Amare reads 87. Not sure if my when my ac kicked in but I’ll have to get readings later since the cool air blows across the top of both lights. Readings were done ona middle bar for both
hybridway2
Amare Shill
Sounds like the ac kicked on. I had 110•f. Top of middle bar.
Where am I
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Great info. Only 110 after 5 hours? That is very manageable . I remember my ventilation fan failed in my 4 x 4 when I was using HPS it hit temps over 150 F . Fried my ladies and scared me to the point I started my path to LED's.
hybridway2
Amare Shill
No, my readings were 110 after about 9 hrs being used, but only 1.5 hrs. with the room fans & AC off to get temp readings.
Mikes was allot less, thinking the AC kicked on.
Where am I
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Got it. Do you think the room would of gotten any hotter if the AC and fans were left off ?
hybridway2
Amare Shill
They were left off for 1.5 hour. No, i don't think things would have got much hotter. Maybe a little. Prob. 115•F.