Al Sharpton Defends Bernie Sanders From ‘Socialist’ Attack:

londonfog

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When I pointed out after Iowa and NH primaries this year that Sanders did worse than in 2016, @londonfog wanted to talk about pies. Tonight it's humble pie that he's eating.

60% of black voters chose Biden. @Padawanbater2 will pull up an opinion poll that shows Sanders won that group. Hey, pad, did black people vote "against their self interest" as you said in the 2016 primaries, where Sanders again failed to get more than a pittance of the black vote?

Telling black people what their "self interest" is. That's the patronizing and dismissive way white men have talked to black people in this country for centuries. Odd that pad and London both chose the same exact fake, dismissive and patronizing arguments. I wonder if they are reading the same propaganda script?
Really ? Im looking at the delegate count preparing for Super Tuesday. Congratulations to Biden for his first primary win after running 3 time for POTUS since 1988. Took him long enough. Lets see how he does in 3 days. The outlook does not look good for him, but we will see
 

londonfog

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not my fault anyone I made the bet with got banned

Have fun yucking it up with yet another right wing racist
A bet is a bet loser. But at least all saw what type of man you are. and your racist bit is rather old. You took the bite away.
 
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Fogdog

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Really ? Im looking at the delegate count preparing for Super Tuesday. Congratulations to Biden for his first primary win after running 3 time for POTUS since 1988. Took him long enough. Lets see how he does in 3 days. The outlook does not look good for him, but we will see
You must have been replying to somebody else and clicked on my post by mistake. Here, I'll re-post my original statement in case you have something you want to say about it.

When I pointed out after Iowa and NH primaries this year that Sanders did worse than in 2016, @londonfog wanted to talk about pies. Tonight it's humble pie that he's eating.

60% of black voters chose Biden. @Padawanbater2 will pull up an opinion poll that shows Sanders won that group. Hey, pad, did black people vote "against their self interest" as you said in the 2016 primaries, where Sanders again failed to get more than a pittance of the black vote?

Telling black people what their "self interest" is. That's the patronizing and dismissive way white men have talked to black people in this country for centuries. Odd that pad and London both chose the same exact fake, dismissive and patronizing arguments. I wonder if they are reading the same propaganda script?
 

londonfog

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You must have been replying to somebody else and clicked on my post by mistake. Here, I'll re-post my original statement in case you have something you want to say about it.
you mention me so I put up the delegate count because that's what matters...you are rather dense.
Still Winning
 

Fogdog

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you mention me so I put up the delegate count because that's what matters...you are rather dense.
Still Winning
mmm, nothing in your reply that applies to my post.

Another boring deflection.

Too funny you want to talk about delegate counts before they are all assigned. We'll talk tomorrow. Enjoy your evening, London.
 

londonfog

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mmm, nothing in your reply that applies to my post.

Another boring deflection.

Too funny you want to talk about delegate counts before they are all assigned. We'll talk tomorrow. Enjoy your evening, London.
and tomorrow Sanders will still have the most delegate count
 

blu3bird

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You can remain blind or you can attempt to see. You can stay ignorant or you can seek wisdom. The choice is always yours. Help to know the fact instead of sticking fingers in the ear and singing LALALALA my plan is the best even though I don't know what the other plan is LALALALALA.

Sanders’ bill, which has 14 Senate co-sponsors, would:

  • Cover primary and preventive care, prescription drugs, dental and vision care, mental health and substance abuse treatment, as well as maternity, newborn and long-term care through a government-run plan
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/10/bernie-sanders-unveils-medicare-for-all-bill-amid-2020-democratic-primary.html
Ok thanks for a better link. I did read read that one.

I'm still not sold in Bernie's "idea". There's things about it I don't like or believe.

70% tax on people with over $10,000,000? That itax is only going to happen one time, you've just taken almost 3/4 of their wealth and now there's nothing left to tax. So who's going to get taxed when the wealthy don't have any money left? Me and you are going to end up being taxed

No out of pocket costs?
Bernie's going to tax my pay check, so instead of paying "out of pocket", my pay check gets raped more than it already is and I bring home less money. Yeah I'll have to pass on that.

Eliminate private health insurance completely?
My health insurance is a benefit from my job that I work hard as fuck for. I pull 70 hours every single week for the last two years and that's not going to change. I have a high stress demanding job and Bernie wants to take away one of my benefits? Then I'll be bringing home less money due to another payroll tax. That's a big hell no.

Raising the estate tax?
I don't have kids or family (I do have a brother and nieces and nephew, but we are not close at all), but I know you do londonfog, so do a lot of other Americans. So you've worked hard your entire life to have things like savings, house and a business and you want your family and kids to have that when you're gone. Now Bernie is going to swoop in and tax it again after you've worked tirelessly and already paid taxes on it your entire life. Now your family is left with a fraction of what you want them to have. That's not right and makes no sense to me.

I don't know what the answer is to what America's problems are, but taxing anything and everything under the sun isn't the solution


The way I see it right now is things aren't broken, nothing needs fixed (at least in my situation). There's absolutely no chance I'll vote in favor for someone that wants to take away my work related benefits and make it so I bring home less money. I'd be a fool to do that, that is opposite of my best interest.
 
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DwayneWayne

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Some asshole south of me near Medford, Oregon, lost big time in court for impounding water he had no right to collect. He made an artificial lake without the necessary water rights. Right wingers are still whining about him losing in court. I think he did some time for that but maybe its wishful thinking. Here in the west, we take water rights seriously.
I suppose a lake would impact those downstream so would you draw a line somewhere? A small pond or buckets collecting rain? Small ponds helped a LOT in the camp fire.
 

schuylaar

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Thanks man, I'll trust what you say.


@londonfog it's not that I don't trust what you say, I don't trust what a blog says

I admit I haven't read Bernie's "idea" of health insurance. I am not interested in because I'm happy with what I work hard for, I have good coverage and I can afford it. There's no convincing me M4A will give better coverage than what I have.
if you haven't read it then how do you know you're not interested? it might be 25% less with more coverage for all you know.

:idea:the key: when the insurance companies have one customer..who do you think gets to call the shots?
 

doublejj

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Ok thanks for a better link. I did read read that one.

I'm still not sold in Bernie's "idea". There's things about it I don't like or believe.

70% tax on people with over $10,000,000? That itax is only going to happen one time, you've just taken almost 3/4 of their wealth and now there's nothing left to tax. So who's going to get taxed when the wealthy don't have any money left? Me and you are going to end up being taxed

No out of pocket costs?
Bernie's going to tax my pay check, so instead of paying "out of pocket", my pay check gets raped more than it already is and I bring home less money. Yeah I'll have to pass on that.

Eliminate private health insurance completely?
My health insurance is a benefit from my job that I work hard as fuck for. I pull 70 hours every single week for the last two years and that's not going to change. I have a high stress demanding job and Bernie wants to take away one of my benefits? Then I'll be bringing home less money due to another payroll tax. That's a big hell no.

Raising the estate tax?
I don't have kids or family (I do have a brother and nieces and nephew, but we are not close at all), but I know you do londonfog, so do a lot of other Americans. So you've worked hard your entire life to have things like savings, house and a business and you want your family and kids to have that when you're gone. Now Bernie is going to swoop in and tax it again after you've worked tirelessly and already paid taxes on it your entire life. Now your family is left with a fraction of what you want them to have. That's not right and makes no sense to me.

I don't know what the answer is to what America's problems are, but taxing anything and everything under the sun isn't the solution


The way I see it right now is things aren't broken, nothing needs fixed (at least in my situation). There's absolutely no chance I'll vote in favor for someone that wants to take away my work related benefits and make it so I bring home less money. I'd be a fool to do that, that is opposite of my best interest.
Yeah but your great health insurance is only good if you are employed. Change or lose your job and "poof" it all goes away. With M4A you won't have to worry if you will have health care if you change jobs. If your union/job is no longer funding your health care then they should give you a big raise in pay to cover the taxes....
 
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