So if my theory is correct then....

[Steelerdrew79]

Ok so in theory if you had just one plant with every trait you wanted like high THC content short bushy high yielder ETC... you can basically tweak the length of flowering time till you get what ever effect you want. For instance if I wanted a heavy couch lock high I’d just need to wait until my tricombes are all amber color. If I wanted a uplifting speedy high I’d cut my plants when my tricombes are still a milky white color. could I play with different ratios for a different effect? Basically eliminating the age old Indica vs. Sativa debocle. Any thoughts or am I just really stoned ?

 

[Powertech]

You are probably really stoned, but in reality this is exactly what people have been doing over the last few decades, and has exponentially grown the last 5-6 years. This is why there are almost nothing but hybrids anymore. I’m doing this myself now. I am growing two of my favorite strains, and am going to make some seeds and see what I get

I’m really stoned too, but that’s my normal

 

[RangiSTaxi]

Short answer is NO! however by letting your plants flower longer may add a slightly more sedative effect, by harvesting early may add a lighter buzz which is more uplifting energetic. but the strain and genetics of a plant play the biggest role along with how its grown.

The difference is the difference between a plant reaching maturity and one that's not mature/ like a fruit you have close to ripe/ ripe/ over ripe. They all taste different and have different compounds and nutrients make ups at the various stages.

But a Grape fruit will never be a mandarin & vice versa, no matter when you harvest, late or early , yet Grape fruit and the mandarin are in the same citrus family. ( hope this helps to explain)

Genetics will play the biggest part in effect if grown properly , what you suggest is some what true though , but a pure indica will not ever have the same effect as a long flowering sativa no matter how early you harvest, and a long flowering sativa harvested late wont have the same sedative effect as a long matured indica.

 

[Powertech]

What people are doing is Breeding the grapefruit and mandarin to get the best qualities from both. Since favorite strain is personal preference you can breed the qualities you want

 

[RangiSTaxi]

What people are doing is Breeding the grapefruit and mandarin to get the best qualities from both. Since favorite strain is personal preference you can breed the qualities you want

yes hybridization can be a wonderful thing.

The only thing i fear which has aready happened is the long to flower land race sativa will become extinct , at best very diluted

how many people are willing to grow a 12-16 week sativa which yields poorly

 

[Powertech]

yes hybridization can be a wonderful thing.

The only thing i fear which has aready happened is the long to flower land race sativa will become extinct , at best very diluted

how many people are willing to grow a 12-16 week sativa which yields poorly

The only way to keep it from happening is to grow it and spread the love. If somebody gives me some good gene pure sativa, I’d be happy to dedicate a small tent, say extended height 3x3, to keep the line going

Hard to find good pure sativa, and I won’t send cash to somewhere I don’t know so most seed banks are out

 

[RangiSTaxi]

The only way to keep it from happening is to grow it and spread the love. If somebody gives me some good gene pure sativa, I’d be happy to dedicate a small tent, say extended height 3x3, to keep the line going

well what country do you live

 

[Powertech]

United States, California, it’s legal and I’m loving it. A problem with the legalization is it is pushing the pure Sativa out the door faster. Go to dispensaries and out of 50 strains they’ll have 2 or 3 sativa, that likely are false advertised

I’m kind of on the opposite end growing currently, would be great to grow a pure Sativa. Got 8 indica leaning hybrids going now (I’m medical so can have more than 6 if justified and I can). Blue Cookies and Ice Cream Cake. I personally havnt seen one this short and close together yet, would be fun to grow a tall lengthy bastard

 

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[Dr. Who]

Most cannabis grown here....Is early harvested.

The new modern high THC strains. Do less and less actual "ambering" of the trich's. Hell, old school (and new) Sativa's. Don't amber much and some, not really at all.
Knowing what actual "done" is. Is an "art" learned over time...

Receded pistils into swollen calyx's
Some calyx stacking (in some strains)
cloudy trich's and older school genetic's - some "ambering"


There are very few REAL old school trich color changing strains. I know a fellow in CO who breeds for that old school thing. Old school giggly, very trippy head buzz sativa's..
They really go through several "color" changes.
clear
cloudy
tan
red
brown
black

Starting red is harvest time. Brown and black are too long.

For the most part. Start running your plants at least 2 weeks longer then you ever have. Now cure them for at least 4 weeks (6 is better) and try that. I know you will be surprised....

 

[Powertech]

You buying? Other reason I won’t send cash is I don’t work, disabled vet, limited income. Almost everything I have has been donated. My brother in law gave me a ton of stuff

 

[Powertech]

For the most part. Start running your plants at least 2 weeks longer then you ever have. Now cure them for at least 4 weeks (6 is better) and try that. I know you will be surprised....

Totally agree. Started smoking my last harvest at 2 weeks because I was out. Kept curing everything and only pulled a little out when I was burping. After 5 weeks I stopped the burping at 57-59%. The high is sooooo much better now than weeks ago. I was going to harvest at 8 weeks, went almost 11, glad I did

 

[LinguaPeel]

What makes a plant indica or sativa? A dispensary menu? Botany doesn't recognize a distinction between Cannabis strains other than epigenetic.

It's all bullshit. My "indica" seeds produce sativa traits because i grow them that way. Nothing to do with harvesting early. More to do with how one Cannabis plant became diverse in nature: environment.

You take plants on the equator and move them to Canada, they become Canadica as far as reality is concerned. Most people are don't understand epigenetics are growing indoorica. Generic uninspired Blandness is the new American Cannabis.

 

[LinguaPeel]

What makes a plant indica or sativa? A dispensary menu? A breeders claim based on their understanding of pedigree? Of grow characteristic? Of smoke characteristic? Of Flavor? Botany doesn't recognize a distinction between Cannabis strains other than epigenetic influences.

It's all bullshit. My "indica" seeds produce sativa traits because i grow them that way. Nothing to do with harvesting early. More to do with how one Cannabis plant became diverse in nature: environment. Sativas are not replicated in any 9 week strain, by any means. The world today does not know Cannabis "Sativa"

You take plants on the equator and move them to Canada, they become Cannabis Canadica as far as reality is concerned. Most people who don't understand epigenetic factors are growing indoorica. Generic uninspired unflushed blandness is the new American Cannabis.

The legal megagrows pull early to save money on fungicides, because the plants are progeria-laden fake breeder crap and the grow method is akin to nuking a frozen burrito in the microwave for 15 minutes instead of putting in the oven for 20. They're tripping over quarters to pick up dimes at this point but with home growing largely remaining illegal, this is the new face of domestic Cannabis: Bred and grown for fast maturing above ground structure, while the metabolite profile suffers severely, which is the need for fungicides and sole contributing factor to quality (aside from contaminants such as fungicides) in the first place... Legal grows are stuck in a perpetual loop of idiocy.

 

[Thundercat]

Ok so in theory if you had just one plant with every trait you wanted like high THC content short bushy high yielder ETC... you can basically tweak the length of flowering time till you get what ever effect you want. For instance if I wanted a heavy couch lock high I’d just need to wait until my tricombes are all amber color. If I wanted a uplifting speedy high I’d cut my plants when my tricombes are still a milky white color. could I play with different ratios for a different effect? Basically eliminating the age old Indica vs. Sativa debocle. Any thoughts or am I just really stoned ?

There is WAAAY to much emphasis put on the early harvest for a racey high, and late harvest for couch lock. If you harvest early you get less high, and if you harvest when the plant is properly ripened you get higher, it's really that simple. If you harvest early you miss out on yield, density, flavor, and overall quality.

Different strains can produce different types of high, and it really seems like much of that difference probably comes down to the minor cannabinoids and the terpenes. I've dabbed lots of pure THC either as distillate or diamonds. While I love THC in many forms, I greatly prefer the high from a more full-spectrum concentrate, or from a good flower with lots of terps.

What makes a plant indica or sativa? A dispensary menu? Botany doesn't recognize a distinction between Cannabis strains other than epigenetic.

It's all bullshit. My "indica" seeds produce sativa traits because i grow them that way. Nothing to do with harvesting early. More to do with how one Cannabis plant became diverse in nature: environment.

You take plants on the equator and move them to Canada, they become Canadica as far as reality is concerned. Most people are don't understand epigenetics are growing indoorica. Generic uninspired Blandness is the new American Cannabis.

While there is debate about which should be labeled as which, there certainly is an obvious difference in the morphology of indicas vs sativas. The plants physically grow differently. You can not take a plant that genetically is going to grow short with fat leaves and make it transform into a plant that will grow tall with very skinny leaves. You can't take an african sativa that would naturally grow on the equator and plant it in canada and expect it to just change and be able to grow and survive and evolve to the new climate. I'm not saying plants won't change in different environments. With hybrid plants you might get more indica or sativa dominance showing. But the fundamentals of the genetics aren't going to be altered, just expressed differently.

 

[xtsho]

yes hybridization can be a wonderful thing.

The only thing i fear which has aready happened is the long to flower land race sativa will become extinct , at best very diluted

how many people are willing to grow a 12-16 week sativa which yields poorly

I'm one. I currently have an ACE Oldtimers Haze that's been flowering for 18+ weeks. I'm taking it down in about a week. This photo is from the end of October. She was outside when she started flowering last summer. I had to mangle her up good to get her in the tent but she's been there since it started getting cold and rainy in October. She'll have about 20 weeks in flower when I chop. I have a bunch of landrace sativa strains I've gotten from The Real Seed Company, ACE, and Cannabiogen that I will be using to make more seeds to spread around and share with others that enjoy a good sativa.

I should get a few zips off of this OTH. Not much for the time it took but I'll have something that you'll only get if you grow it yourself. I just wish I lived in a climate where I could just let it do it's thing outside and grow 14 feet tall.

 

[Steelerdrew79]

So I’m gonna hit on a few of the topics that were mentioned. What makes a Sativa a Sativa? A tall thin leaved plant with a uplifting high? Don’t most Sativa plants come from a hot dry climate? That to me explains the tall plant with thin leaves. Less surface area so it won’t burn from the sun. Let’s more air pass through cooling it down. The equator has longer days during the summer time hence long flowering time. Now Indica plants come from colder climates causing the plants to grow bushier with fat wide leaves. Giving it more surface area to catch more sun also up north the days are shorter during the summer time giving a shorter flowing time. Is it possible that maybe there’s really just one main cannabis plant that adapts to its environment? The effect is different due to the time flowering I know I’ve grown the same strain same seeds from the same plant and got three different effects by extending or shorting the flower time. Next subject is when I harvest normally when the red hairs are 75 to 80 and my tricombes are a 60 40 Milky to amber and I have a good amount of yellowing reddish leaves I don’t keep track of time I go by look.

 

[Gemtree]

Immature plants suck so just buy what buzz you want in the genetics.

 

[kgp]

Ok so in theory if you had just one plant with every trait you wanted like high THC content short bushy high yielder ETC... you can basically tweak the length of flowering time till you get what ever effect you want. For instance if I wanted a heavy couch lock high I’d just need to wait until my tricombes are all amber color. If I wanted a uplifting speedy high I’d cut my plants when my tricombes are still a milky white color. could I play with different ratios for a different effect? Basically eliminating the age old Indica vs. Sativa debocle. Any thoughts or am I just really stoned ?

Your stoned. You can alter the buzz by a small percent by harvesting early or late. Genetics are what makes up a plant. Genotype will remain the same while phenotype can be altered by environment to a small degree.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Even in scientific circles cannabis taxonomy has been questioned since the 1970’s . It seems Richard Evans Schultes, the man who created the original taxonomy for cannabis in the 1970s, misidentified a C. afghanica plant as a C. indica plant. That one mistake began 40 years of confusion which has only been dispelled by McPartland’s research. The mislabeling of cannabis species has led to cannabis being all the same except for sub species .

To me the “ dilution “ of strains add to confusion ... I personally never got any good “ so called IBL strains “ to play with.
The closet was Mexican Red Hair and Malawi but wasn’t really a fan of long sativas after all said and done. High leaf to calyx plants.
Smoke was good but required work to get the harvest. Best for outdoors I imagine.



So pheno hunting continues. Even those seedbanks that offer “ boutique “ land race seeds I would take with a grain of salt.
Here is a Malawi that ran just over 16 weeks , wish I planted outside probably would have been beastly. I have a few beans left in storage but prefer more timely strains.