I have no idea, please help

[ninja1]

Hi people,

Have a problem with all my plants. Now I am pretty sure they are hungry so I am going to up the feed. That was partly for it taking a while for me to wait for the pots to get light.

Now here is my issue. The plants seem to be growing really viney? The stems are very woody and thin and I also think they look a bit purple? Also if you look you can see the branches seem to be growing a little strange. Rather than getting two branches shoot out from the main stem I am only seeing 1 branch then further up it will grow another.

Is it a defiency of some sort? Environment issue? Desperate to get it sorted and get the ladies flipped. Just want them looking healthier before I do so.

Thanks

 

[Bernie420]

Hi people,

Have a problem with all my plants. Now I am pretty sure they are hungry so I am going to up the feed. That was partly for it taking a while for me to wait for the pots to get light.

Now here is my issue. The plants seem to be growing really viney? The stems are very woody and thin and I also think they look a bit purple? Also if you look you can see the branches seem to be growing a little strange. Rather than getting two branches shoot out from the main stem I am only seeing 1 branch then further up it will grow another.

Is it a defiency of some sort? Environment issue? Desperate to get it sorted and get the ladies flipped. Just want them looking healthier before I do so.

Thanks

Mag deficiency and only a plant from seed grows branches side by side.

microbes , kelp , humic acid, epsom salt are all good things to learn about.

 

[ninja1]

Mag deficiency and only a plant from seed grows branches side by side.

microbes , kelp , humic acid, epsom salt are all good things to learn about.

Thanks very much for the reply.

Can I ask what made you think it's a mag deficiency? I have noticed only slightly some marks on the leaves too. Which did make me think that.

Would a mag deficiency account for the horrible woody branches? Plus the lack of leaves, usually have bushy plants. I thought a mag deficiency would cause a plant to look off in colour. Just interested to know if it causes the other symptoms.

Thanks again for the reply and I'm not meaning to sound an asshole. Going to get looking at Epsom salts right now. Visiting my grow shop Friday too so will pick up some ph buffer. The pen is fairly new but won't do no harm to check and recalibrate it.

 

[Bernie420]

purple stems / branches main stalk, faded pale leaves. All signs of mag deficiency.

I didnt mention anything about a ph pen but they are needed imo but actually some people dont use them as the microbes regulate the ph right at the root surface. But its a good tool to use.

 

[ninja1]

purple stems / branches main stalk, faded pale leaves. All signs of mag deficiency.

I didnt mention anything about a ph pen but they are needed imo but actually some people dont use them as the microbes regulate the ph right at the root surface. But its a good tool to use.

Thank you very much mate, honestly shocked to get such a quick response.

Could the mag deficiency also be causing the really woody stems? If I'm not I'm guessing that is an issue with the ph being out? Also the reason the plants look so viney if that's the right word rather than bushy?

I'm just thinking if the ph was correct the mag deficiency wouldn't be an issue. So want to make sure the ph is on point. Going to pick up some Epsom salts and get treating it. Fingers crossed it starts to pick up asap as they drive me mad looking so bare and ugly lol. Hoping to flip them in just over a week.

 

[Bernie420]

Thank you very much mate, honestly shocked to get such a quick response.

Could the mag deficiency also be causing the really woody stems? If I'm not I'm guessing that is an issue with the ph being out? Also the reason the plants look so viney if that's the right word rather than bushy?

I'm just thinking if the ph was correct the mag deficiency wouldn't be an issue. So want to make sure the ph is on point. Going to pick up some Epsom salts and get treating it. Fingers crossed it starts to pick up asap as they drive me mad looking so bare and ugly lol. Hoping to flip them in just over a week.

idk about the mag causing woody stems. in the pics it doesnt look woody but whatever right. Could be genetics and I would consider it to be normal as they are a plant and they do get kind of woody so I think that, that is a non issue.

You dont mention anything about the ph in your post so idk where that is coming from but whatever again right. if you water in at 6.5 you should be good as microbes regulate the ph at the root surface. Research microbes you should be using them as a grower.

use epsom salt at 1 tsp (teasppon) per gallon of water and then do a feeding after that then do the epsom salt again on just a water day later on. or do the epsom salt and cut the nutes in half for a couple of waterings if you want to feed feed. You could foliar feed the mag if you want to try to do it faster than a root feeding.

what light are you using and how far away as if the light is.... far away the plant will stretch for it. Maybe lower it down a little would be my next thing but when a plant is ill its best to raise the light and slow the grow till it recovers from the stress. So basically i have no info on that but you can understand what im saying right.

if you want a bushier plant you need to be topping it.

 

[ninja1]

Never had branches like this before. Usually can super crop no issue and even pinch and get the branches to be super cropped. These branches are so woody and thin, couldn't even really pinch them and a super crop attempt would just cause them to snap.

Only reason I mention ph as I thought with any deficiency it comes from the ph being out?

Will the foliar feeding see a quicker result than adding Epsom salt to the water then?

Plants are currently vegging under two 600w but I'd happily chuck them under one light or dim them both down to 400w.

 

[Bernie420]

Never had branches like this before. Usually can super crop no issue and even pinch and get the branches to be super cropped. These branches are so woody and thin, couldn't even really pinch them and a super crop attempt would just cause them to snap.

Only reason I mention ph as I thought with any deficiency it comes from the ph being out?

Will the foliar feeding see a quicker result than adding Epsom salt to the water then?

Plants are currently vegging under two 600w but I'd happily chuck them under one light or dim them both down to 400w.

what ph are you watering in at?

yes a ph issue can mess with a nutrient but if the nutrient isnt there to mess with it, you get my point. So no every issue with a deficiency isnt related to ph.

I would drop them down to 400 then back to 600 in a week or two. What are you flowering under (wattage)?

Small plant small light big plant big light. small healthy plant more light big sick plant less light.

 

[ninja1]

I been giving them a ph of 6-6.2 according to my ph pen. That could be out though so it might not even be that. Going to buy some ph buffer on Friday. Also going to buy the Epsom salts and use it as a spray on the leaves when lights go out. How long from use should I start to see improvements?

I would be flowering under the 2 600w. Just shoved it on that for veg wanting to speed things up so I could quickly flower. I am hoping taking care of the mag deficiency and being sure my ph pen is on point I start to see them grow. Be nice as well to see these wood stems gone lol never seen anything like it. You know how usually you can pinch a branch or main stem and it'll pop almost? Can't do that at all, so deffo don't think it's right. Will ask my friend if his are the same though. Most expensive seeds I've ever bought and run into problems lol typical ay.

 

[Bernie420]

I been giving them a ph of 6-6.2 according to my ph pen. That could be out though so it might not even be that. Going to buy some ph buffer on Friday. Also going to buy the Epsom salts and use it as a spray on the leaves when lights go out. How long from use should I start to see improvements?

I would be flowering under the 2 600w. Just shoved it on that for veg wanting to speed things up so I could quickly flower. I am hoping taking care of the mag deficiency and being sure my ph pen is on point I start to see them grow. Be nice as well to see these wood stems gone lol never seen anything like it. You know how usually you can pinch a branch or main stem and it'll pop almost? Can't do that at all, so deffo don't think it's right. Will ask my friend if his are the same though. Most expensive seeds I've ever bought and run into problems lol typical ay.

if those are from seed it weird that they are not growing branches right across from each other, I always thought that they grew like that.

yes you can ask your friend but each seed is going to be different.. Even from a mother plant each plant will have different needs even though they are the same, example being one might just be a better cut get a better jump on the others and have different needs as they grow.

I recommend that you veg under the 400 and bump it up to 600 a week before flip and then flip.

I think the woody stem is a non issue , its just genetics. Not going to go away.

if you foliar feed mix the epsom salt the same put some in a sprayer and add a little bit of dish soap as a surfactant 3-5ml for a quart should do it, and spray the entire plant. Pour the rest from the gal mix in the pots.

Should see an improvement in a few days. post a pic in a few days, leaves you will see improve first the stem and branches take longer.

 

[ninja1]

if those are from seed it weird that they are not growing branches right across from each other, I always thought that they grew like that.

yes you can ask your friend but each seed is going to be different.. Even from a mother plant each plant will have different needs even though they are the same, example being one might just be a better cut get a better jump on the others and have different needs as they grow.

I recommend that you veg under the 400 and bump it up to 600 a week before flip and then flip.

I think the woody stem is a non issue , its just genetics. Not going to go away.

if you foliar feed mix the epsom salt the same put some in a sprayer and add a little bit of dish soap as a surfactant 3-5ml for a quart should do it, and spray the entire plant. Pour the rest from the gal mix in the pots.

Should see an improvement in a few days. post a pic in a few days, leaves you will see improve first the stem and branches take longer.

Going to sleep mate as its nearly 7am here in England haha. I just wanted to say a big thank you for taking the time to reply to me. Feel bit better about it all now and look forward to seeing them improve. I will 100% be back with some updated photos. Going to take your advice as well and dim down to the 400w's for veg.

Sorry should of been more clear, these are from a mother. Bought an over priced pack of seeds and grabbed a load of cuts for me and my mate from a female. I'm hoping the wood like branches will go away once I'm certain the ph is correct. To be honest I bought this pen at the start of this grow and haven't calibrated it since. Thought I had some ph buffer but must have run out.

Fingers crossed that's all my troubles taken care off and can look forward to shoving these into flower. Would like to see them drinking more often but that should improve as well. Have just read on Google someone say fixing their mag deficiency saw the plants drinking more. Like to have mine wanting watering daily before I flip. At the moment its taking two days so not far off.

Anyway thank you can, seriously been really helpful and is good of you to take your time to help me plus reply to my questions.

 

[Bernie420]

Going to sleep mate as its nearly 7am here in England haha. I just wanted to say a big thank you for taking the time to reply to me. Feel bit better about it all now and look forward to seeing them improve. I will 100% be back with some updated photos. Going to take your advice as well and dim down to the 400w's for veg.

Sorry should of been more clear, these are from a mother. Bought an over priced pack of seeds and grabbed a load of cuts for me and my mate from a female. I'm hoping the wood like branches will go away once I'm certain the ph is correct. To be honest I bought this pen at the start of this grow and haven't calibrated it since. Thought I had some ph buffer but must have run out.

Fingers crossed that's all my troubles taken care off and can look forward to shoving these into flower. Would like to see them drinking more often but that should improve as well. Have just read on Google someone say fixing their mag deficiency saw the plants drinking more. Like to have mine wanting watering daily before I flip. At the moment its taking two days so not far off.

Anyway thank you can, seriously been really helpful and is good of you to take your time to help me plus reply to my questions.

not a problem your welcome .

epsom salt is going to fix it .1 tsp per gallon

dont forget about microbes, kelp , humic acid also good shit there.

also you can foliar feed and root feed one day wait two days then do it again with the foliar feed with no problems if you wanted to

 

[xtsho]

The red stems are often genetics. Some strains have red stems. I'm growing one right now.

Those plants look like they are stretching for the light. I wouldn't worry about the offset branching and without knowing what you've been feeding It's not possible to say why the plants are yellowing. A deficiency can actually be caused by overfeeding.

As far as the color of the stems. It could be perfectly normal for that strain.

Mazar-I Sharif.
Characteristics: High-yielding, tall, intensely resinous, biodiverse, red stems and stigmas

 

[coreywebster]

Ninja Are your lights off temps cold or cold root zone, maybe from a concrete floor?

 

[CrvenaZvezda]

To me it looks like insufficient light.

What kind of light are you using? I have a hard time believing that you are actually pumping 1200 watts of light into this lady. How long has she been in veg? Are you doing training and if so what kind? Defoliation?

I’m running 600 watts [3500k Quatum Boards] in a 4x4 and by the 4th week of veg I had 2-3 foot plants that I had a hard time containing. Their first 10 days were under 100 watts.

They are now 28 days into flower (day 53 total) and just shy of 6 feet tall.

The purple stems seems to be heading for the main stalk which is slightly concerning but it could be a number of things from genetics to temps to deficiency. I have them sparingly on some stems but the plants are healthy overall so I pay them no mind.

The color of your leaves is slightly pale but again that could be a number of issues, I still strongly suspect light.

Besides more details on these lights more details on your enviorment and things like what you are using for feed/nutrients, what you feed schedule looks like, your ppms etc would be extremely useful in providing you with suggestions.

Cheers

 

[xtsho]

People keep posting about the stem color which may or may not be anything more than genetics. I just made a post showing some plants that one of the characteristics are red/purple stems. Without knowing what strain the OP is growing which hasn't been posted the stem color may very well just be due to the plants genetics and may or may not be a cause for concern. I'm not saying that the plant looks great just that without more information the color of the stems can't be relied on as a factor to be used to troubleshoot.

 

[Bernie420]

To me it looks like insufficient light.

What kind of light are you using? I have a hard time believing that you are actually pumping 1200 watts of light into this lady. How long has she been in veg? Are you doing training and if so what kind? Defoliation?

I’m running 600 watts [3500k Quatum Boards] in a 4x4 and by the 4th week of veg I had 2-3 foot plants that I had a hard time containing. Their first 10 days were under 100 watts.

They are now 28 days into flower (day 53 total) and just shy of 6 feet tall.

The purple stems seems to be heading for the main stalk which is slightly concerning but it could be a number of things from genetics to temps to deficiency. I have them sparingly on some stems but the plants are healthy overall so I pay them no mind.

The color of your leaves is slightly pale but again that could be a number of issues, I still strongly suspect light.

Besides more details on these lights more details on your enviorment and things like what you are using for feed/nutrients, what you feed schedule looks like, your ppms etc would be extremely useful in providing you with suggestions.

Cheers

I think if he had insufficient light the bottom parts would be dying off

 

[Bernie420]

People keep posting about the stem color which may or may not be anything more than genetics. I just made a post showing some plants that one of the characteristics are red/purple stems. Without knowing what strain the OP is growing which hasn't been posted the stem color may very well just be due to the plants genetics and may or may not be a cause for concern. I'm not saying that the plant looks great just that without more information the color of the stems can't be relied on as a factor to be used to troubleshoot.

you plants look like it could use more mag as well

 

[ninja1]

Yeah the plants was seriously under both 600w, I was hoping it would make them grow fast lol. Have since dimmed it to both lights running at 400w. I am feeding coco canna a and b, 2.2ml of each per litre. I upped that yesterday as thought they was looking pale. Got no improvement in fact today they look slightly worse.

I just checked the ph pen and in the ph 7 my pen was reading 7.2. Does that mean its been out by 0.2 or if its not on point can it change how much it throws it off by? 0.2 doesn't seem a lot and I would feed a ph of 5.9-6.2. I have recalibrated the pen so that should be on point now.

I have also purchased some epsom salts. Will be mixing that into a bottle and spraying my plants as lights go off. Fingers crossed that sees some improvement and they start looking a more healthy shade of green. That along with no being fed the correct ph. I am hoping will resolve it.

Someone else suggested I flush and start with the correct ph when feeding after that. What do you think, will that clear up any deficiency causing this problem? I am going to try the Epsom salts and correct ph first. Only as I know they look quite yellow already and a flush will have them yellowing and probably dying as already so pale. Whilst waiting for them to dry after the flush.

If the stems was red and that was it I'd maybe question the temps. I have used this same set up years though and never seen this and its certainly not cold in the room where the tent is. I can sit in my underwear during lights off and don't feel cold at all. It's the fact the branches are also so woody too. I have googled and seen others describing the same thing and also stating they have no temp issues. So how did they fix it? Well one topic finished with no update. The other claimed magnesium deficiency was the cause and that's been suggest here. Plus I have seen more signs in the leaves that convince me its suffering from that. I just always thought magnesium deficiency would only effect the leaves. Maybe it causes the red stems and woody branches as well.

 

[Bernie420]

Yeah the plants was seriously under both 600w, I was hoping it would make them grow fast lol. Have since dimmed it to both lights running at 400w. I am feeding coco canna a and b, 2.2ml of each per litre. I upped that yesterday as thought they was looking pale. Got no improvement in fact today they look slightly worse.

I just checked the ph pen and in the ph 7 my pen was reading 7.2. Does that mean its been out by 0.2 or if its not on point can it change how much it throws it off by? 0.2 doesn't seem a lot and I would feed a ph of 5.9-6.2. I have recalibrated the pen so that should be on point now.

I have also purchased some epsom salts. Will be mixing that into a bottle and spraying my plants as lights go off. Fingers crossed that sees some improvement and they start looking a more healthy shade of green. That along with no being fed the correct ph. I am hoping will resolve it.

Someone else suggested I flush and start with the correct ph when feeding after that. What do you think, will that clear up any deficiency causing this problem? I am going to try the Epsom salts and correct ph first. Only as I know they look quite yellow already and a flush will have them yellowing and probably dying as already so pale. Whilst waiting for them to dry after the flush.

If the stems was red and that was it I'd maybe question the temps. I have used this same set up years though and never seen this and its certainly not cold in the room where the tent is. I can sit in my underwear during lights off and don't feel cold at all. It's the fact the branches are also so woody too. I have googled and seen others describing the same thing and also stating they have no temp issues. So how did they fix it? Well one topic finished with no update. The other claimed magnesium deficiency was the cause and that's been suggest here. Plus I have seen more signs in the leaves that convince me its suffering from that. I just always thought magnesium deficiency would only effect the leaves. Maybe it causes the red stems and woody branches as well.

0.2 isnt that much to be a concern no dont flush make the gal with the epsom salt ph that correctly if you use ph up-down use a dropper or get to doing that without a bunch of wild swings so a little at a time with the up and down. add nutes to the rest of the gal you can add the quart of water back to the gal if you want it just make the epsom salt in there just a little weaker foliar feed and water the roots and then leave them alone and just check your environment, then wait.

the woody stems isnt an issue its genetics and your not changing that.