Feds to resume the Death Penalty

[TacoMac]

Robert James Ingram.

He was my best friend when I was a kid. We watched Alien together on HBO. He was the only kid that had it.

His father James drove us crammed in his Corvette Stingray to see Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

He came and got me to come listen to this new band called Def Leopard.

On vinyl.

He became a Cobb County Police Officer.

He was shot and killed on duty in 1993.

He was 24.

I kept tabs on his killer. He was given a fair trial, sentenced to death and sat on death row for nearly as long as Robby ever lived.

He was never executed. He died of colon cancer in 2014.

A very large part of me wanted to watch that bastard die.

But as the years go by, I often wonder which was worse: waiting to die by lethal injection, or the agony of a slow death from your asshole rotting from the inside out.

I'm not a religious man. But sometimes I wonder if God is there, and he takes his time doing things his way.

After all, if one actually reads the Bible cover to cover (and I have twice) one learns that there is no more frightening and terrifying entity than that of God and his wrath.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Funny, I actually would support killing him, isn't strange that you find yourself defending a white man who killed innocent black people?

No, it's called principles. Unlike some racist rat-children, I don't make up my mind on principles based on somebody's skin color.

 

[UncleBuck]

Funny, I actually would support killing him, isn't strange that you find yourself defending a white man who killed innocent black people?

Putting someone in prison for life is defending them?

 

[squarepush3r]

But as the years go by, I often wonder which was worse: waiting to die by lethal injection, or the agony of a slow death from your asshole rotting from the inside out.

So do you actually think that life prison sentence is worse than the death penalty (and that is why you don't support the death penalty)?
Doesn't that seem a bit sadistic? Couldn't you add things like torture/forced labor to make it worse even then?

 

[squarepush3r]

Putting someone in prison for life is defending them?

What if a white supremacist president decides to pardon him. Then he would have a chance at life again right? Or if some legal technicality overturned his case. etc

 

[Unclebaldrick]

What if a white supremacist president decides to pardon him. Then he would have a chance at life again right? Or if some legal technicality overturned his case. etc

I really doubt you will get elected.

 

[squarepush3r]

 

[Jimdamick]

do you actually think that life prison sentence is worse than the death penalty

Personally, if living the rest of my life in a 6x10 box with no sunlight or fresh air or outside contact was a choice between death and that, I would choose death.
Keep them in a box for the rest of their miserable fucking lives, no parole, no Xbox, no TV or even a fucking book.
Nothing.
Death is the easy way out.

 

[squarepush3r]

Personally, if living the rest of my life in a 6x10 box with no sunlight or fresh air or outside contact was a choice between death and that, I would choose death.
Keep them in a box for the rest of their miserable fucking lives, no parole, no Xbox, no TV or even a fucking book.
Nothing.
Death is the easy way out.

Seems very expensive though. For each inmate, its something like $40k per year, plus all the court and lawyer legal fees taxpayers have to skirt.

Also, possibility of legal mishap allowing him to be released. Also possibility of them murdering again in prison.

I just read over the 5 cases of the people possibly to be killed with the new death penalty changes.

Danny Lee, of Yukon, Oklahoma, was convicted in the 1996 deaths of an Arkansas family as part of a plot to set up a whites-only nation in the Pacific Northwest.

Lee and an accomplice, Chevie Kehoe, were convicted of killing gun dealer William Mueller, his wife, Nancy Mueller, and her 8-year-old daughter, Sarah Powell, and stealing guns and cash.

Lee's attorney, Morris Moon, said his client's case "exemplifies many of the serious flaws in the federal death penalty system" and that "executing him would be a grave injustice." Moon says there was more evidence against Kehoe — described by federal prosecutors at the time as the leader of the plot — but he received a life sentence.

Lee was convicted in 1999 in Arkansas. A federal judge denied Lee's request for a new trial in February, but noted that evidence presented by his attorneys "is reasonably likely" to have led to a different sentence.

He is the first inmate scheduled to be executed, on Dec. 9.

Lezmond Mitchell

Lezmond Mitchell, a Navajo man, stabbed a 63-year-old woman to death in 2003 and then forced her 9-year-old granddaughter to sit beside her grandmother's lifeless body as he drove about 40 miles, before he slit the young girl's throat.

Their beheaded, mutilated bodies were found in a shallow grave on the reservation. Mitchell stole the woman's car and later robbed a trading post in Red Valley, Arizona.

He's scheduled to be executed two days after Lee.

Wesley Ira Purkey

The Bureau of Prisons plans to execute Wesley Ira Purkey on Dec. 13. He was convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl before dismembering, burning and then dumping the teen's body in a septic pond.

Prosecutors said he was also convicted in a state court in Kansas after using a claw hammer to kill an 80-year-old woman who suffered from polio.

Purkey, who is from Kansas, is slated to be executed on Dec. 13.

Alfred Bourgeois

Prosecutors say Alfred Bourgeois tortured, sexually molested, and then beat his two-and-a-half-year-old daughter to death. Court records say Bourgeois repeatedly beat the young girl and punched her in the face, whipped her with an electrical cord and beat her with a belt so hard that it broke. He also allegedly burned her feet with a cigarette lighter and hit her in the head with a baseball bat until her head swelled.

He was convicted in 2004 of several charges, including murder, and was sentenced to death. He's scheduled to be executed on Jan. 13.

Dustin Lee Honken

Dustin Lee Honken was convicted in 2004 in connection with the killings of five people as part of a plan to thwart a federal investigation into his drug operation.

The victims included two men who became informants and were going to testify against him, the girlfriend of one of the informants and her two young daughters, ages six and 10.

Honken was convicted in federal court in Iowa in 2004 and is scheduled to be executed on Jan. 15.

 

[Jimdamick]

Seems very expensive though. For each inmate, its something like $40k per year, plus all the court and lawyer legal fees taxpayers have to skirt.

Also, possibility of legal mishap allowing him to be released. Also possibility of them murdering again in prison.

I just read over the 5 cases of the people possibly to be killed with the new death penalty changes.

Danny Lee, of Yukon, Oklahoma, was convicted in the 1996 deaths of an Arkansas family as part of a plot to set up a whites-only nation in the Pacific Northwest.

Lee and an accomplice, Chevie Kehoe, were convicted of killing gun dealer William Mueller, his wife, Nancy Mueller, and her 8-year-old daughter, Sarah Powell, and stealing guns and cash.

Lee's attorney, Morris Moon, said his client's case "exemplifies many of the serious flaws in the federal death penalty system" and that "executing him would be a grave injustice." Moon says there was more evidence against Kehoe — described by federal prosecutors at the time as the leader of the plot — but he received a life sentence.

Lee was convicted in 1999 in Arkansas. A federal judge denied Lee's request for a new trial in February, but noted that evidence presented by his attorneys "is reasonably likely" to have led to a different sentence.

He is the first inmate scheduled to be executed, on Dec. 9.

Lezmond Mitchell

Lezmond Mitchell, a Navajo man, stabbed a 63-year-old woman to death in 2003 and then forced her 9-year-old granddaughter to sit beside her grandmother's lifeless body as he drove about 40 miles, before he slit the young girl's throat.

Their beheaded, mutilated bodies were found in a shallow grave on the reservation. Mitchell stole the woman's car and later robbed a trading post in Red Valley, Arizona.

He's scheduled to be executed two days after Lee.

Wesley Ira Purkey

The Bureau of Prisons plans to execute Wesley Ira Purkey on Dec. 13. He was convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl before dismembering, burning and then dumping the teen's body in a septic pond.

Prosecutors said he was also convicted in a state court in Kansas after using a claw hammer to kill an 80-year-old woman who suffered from polio.

Purkey, who is from Kansas, is slated to be executed on Dec. 13.

Alfred Bourgeois

Prosecutors say Alfred Bourgeois tortured, sexually molested, and then beat his two-and-a-half-year-old daughter to death. Court records say Bourgeois repeatedly beat the young girl and punched her in the face, whipped her with an electrical cord and beat her with a belt so hard that it broke. He also allegedly burned her feet with a cigarette lighter and hit her in the head with a baseball bat until her head swelled.

He was convicted in 2004 of several charges, including murder, and was sentenced to death. He's scheduled to be executed on Jan. 13.

Dustin Lee Honken

Dustin Lee Honken was convicted in 2004 in connection with the killings of five people as part of a plan to thwart a federal investigation into his drug operation.

The victims included two men who became informants and were going to testify against him, the girlfriend of one of the informants and her two young daughters, ages six and 10.

Honken was convicted in federal court in Iowa in 2004 and is scheduled to be executed on Jan. 15.

This works

 

[squarepush3r]

This works

they had some crazy shit back then

 

[Fogdog]

Seems very expensive though. For each inmate, its something like $40k per year, plus all the court and lawyer legal fees taxpayers have to skirt.

Also, possibility of legal mishap allowing him to be released. Also possibility of them murdering again in prison.

I just read over the 5 cases of the people possibly to be killed with the new death penalty changes.

Danny Lee, of Yukon, Oklahoma, was convicted in the 1996 deaths of an Arkansas family as part of a plot to set up a whites-only nation in the Pacific Northwest.

Lee and an accomplice, Chevie Kehoe, were convicted of killing gun dealer William Mueller, his wife, Nancy Mueller, and her 8-year-old daughter, Sarah Powell, and stealing guns and cash.

Lee's attorney, Morris Moon, said his client's case "exemplifies many of the serious flaws in the federal death penalty system" and that "executing him would be a grave injustice." Moon says there was more evidence against Kehoe — described by federal prosecutors at the time as the leader of the plot — but he received a life sentence.

Lee was convicted in 1999 in Arkansas. A federal judge denied Lee's request for a new trial in February, but noted that evidence presented by his attorneys "is reasonably likely" to have led to a different sentence.

He is the first inmate scheduled to be executed, on Dec. 9.

Lezmond Mitchell

Lezmond Mitchell, a Navajo man, stabbed a 63-year-old woman to death in 2003 and then forced her 9-year-old granddaughter to sit beside her grandmother's lifeless body as he drove about 40 miles, before he slit the young girl's throat.

Their beheaded, mutilated bodies were found in a shallow grave on the reservation. Mitchell stole the woman's car and later robbed a trading post in Red Valley, Arizona.

He's scheduled to be executed two days after Lee.

Wesley Ira Purkey

The Bureau of Prisons plans to execute Wesley Ira Purkey on Dec. 13. He was convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl before dismembering, burning and then dumping the teen's body in a septic pond.

Prosecutors said he was also convicted in a state court in Kansas after using a claw hammer to kill an 80-year-old woman who suffered from polio.

Purkey, who is from Kansas, is slated to be executed on Dec. 13.

Alfred Bourgeois

Prosecutors say Alfred Bourgeois tortured, sexually molested, and then beat his two-and-a-half-year-old daughter to death. Court records say Bourgeois repeatedly beat the young girl and punched her in the face, whipped her with an electrical cord and beat her with a belt so hard that it broke. He also allegedly burned her feet with a cigarette lighter and hit her in the head with a baseball bat until her head swelled.

He was convicted in 2004 of several charges, including murder, and was sentenced to death. He's scheduled to be executed on Jan. 13.

Dustin Lee Honken

Dustin Lee Honken was convicted in 2004 in connection with the killings of five people as part of a plan to thwart a federal investigation into his drug operation.

The victims included two men who became informants and were going to testify against him, the girlfriend of one of the informants and her two young daughters, ages six and 10.

Honken was convicted in federal court in Iowa in 2004 and is scheduled to be executed on Jan. 15.

The trial by jury system isn't good enough to ensure no innocent man is ever convicted of murder.

So, nobody should be executed.

What part of that do you not understand?

 

[hotrodharley]

“It’d be nice to think our judicial system is totally infallible, but unfortunately, that’s just not the case. Innocent people are convicted of crimes they didn’t commit more often than anyone would like to admit, and in some cases, people who were later found to be innocent have actually been put to death.

Here are 8 people who were executed and innocent.”

https://stories.avvo.com/crime/murder/8-people-who-were-executed-and-later-found-innocent.html

Oopsies.

 

[hotrodharley]

“The work of the Innocence Project has led to the freeing of more than 362 wrongfully convicted people based on DNA, including 20 individuals who spent time on death row, and the finding of 158 real perpetrators.”

 

[hotrodharley]

No to the fucking death penalty. Only scared dumbasses want it and just for revenge. Stupid reason.

 

[Rob Roy]

Personally, if living the rest of my life in a 6x10 box with no sunlight or fresh air or outside contact was a choice between death and that, I would choose death.
Keep them in a box for the rest of their miserable fucking lives, no parole, no Xbox, no TV or even a fucking book.
Nothing.
Death is the easy way out.

About how much money are you personally willing to spend keeping somebody alive in prison for years if their situation has nothing to do with you ?

If you're not willing to fund this, are you willing to use threats backed by violence to make others pay for this ?

If you are willing to pay to keep a violent murderer who you don't even know alive would you be willing to forego using violence or threats of violence against others who opted not to fund this ?

 

[TacoMac]

No to the fucking death penalty. Only scared dumbasses want it and just for revenge. Stupid reason.

That's pretty much it.

It was around for thousands of years as a deterrent, but has never actually proven to be one. In every study ever done in modern times, the death penalty has never proven one single time to lower any type of crime for which it is supposed to be a deterrent.

That fact of course leaves the only plausible use of it today as revenge.

Not surprisingly, the United States is the only Western advanced nation that still uses it. With our mentality and education being the lowest of all of those nations, go figure we're the only ones that still use it.

 

[Jimdamick]

how much money are you personally willing to spend keeping somebody alive in prison for years if their situation has nothing to do with you ?

So, it's always about the dollar cost with you, isn't it.
You even hate paying your fair share of taxes right?
How about simple right and wrong, and the execution of any human being is wrong in my eyes.
And remember the simple fact that it costs more for the Death penalty to be invoked than not, you cheap bastard
https://tcadp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cost-sheet-final1.pdf

 

[Jimdamick]

That's pretty much it.

It was around for thousands of years as a deterrent, but has never actually proven to be one. In every study ever done in modern times, the death penalty has never proven one single time to lower any type of crime for which it is supposed to be a deterrent.

That fact of course leaves the only plausible use of it today as revenge.

Not surprisingly, the United States is the only Western advanced nation that still uses it. With our mentality and education being the lowest of all of those nations, go figure we're the only ones that still use it.

It's a barbaric ritual highlighting the most primitive nature of man, that has no place in an enlightened society in the 21st century

 

[Rob Roy]

So, it's always about the dollar cost with you, isn't it.
You even hate paying your fair share of taxes right?
How about simple right and wrong, and the execution of any human being is wrong in my eyes.
And remember the simple fact that it costs more for the Death penalty to be invoked than not, you cheap bastard
https://tcadp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cost-sheet-final1.pdf

Nice deflection. B+ !