Green's Wedding Cake, sip, probiotics

Greenthumbs256

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That color purplish is a tell tale P lockout. It's like 3rd grade growing. Here is some examples of corn that dont supposed to turn purple.
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Wasnt picking on him but purple leaves on GG4 is not supposed to be there. It's a P deficiency plain n simple. That pinkish purple. Low temps can cause it but only during photosynthesis.
Lights out cold wont matter.
I've been running about 70° during lights on! and 60ish at lights off!

this pic was taking mid day!

but your also right, bc I have been running out of nutrients in my soil, my sip was just way too small for this big of a lady!!! almost 2 weeks now, I've been noticing she's outta gas!
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Greenthumbs256

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!!!!!SKIP TO PAGE 15!!!!!!
that's is unless u wanna read about the shit show lmfao, this was an edit, I'm sure most don't care for what comes next, so I'm saving yall the hassle! I marked in blue text on page 15, where to continue on lol, unless yall wanna read that be my guest! everyone else page 15, blue text!
TRUST ME LAST CHANCE.....


I always drop temps as low as possible during the last 2ish weeks, I'm not too sure how much difference it makes, bc I've never done it any other way, but seeing as my whole goal is to match nature, then that's exactly what it would do in the open during October and stuff, when the outdoor guys harvest! that's just my thinking on it!
 
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Serverchris

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That color purplish is a tell tale P lockout. It's like 3rd grade growing. Here is some examples of corn that dont supposed to turn purple.
View attachment 4287301

Wasnt picking on him but purple leaves on GG4 is not supposed to be there. It's a P deficiency plain n simple. That pinkish purple. Low temps can cause it but only during photosynthesis.
Lights out cold wont matter.
That color purplish is a tell tale P lockout. It's like 3rd grade growing. Here is some examples of corn that dont supposed to turn purple.
View attachment 4287301

Wasnt picking on him but purple leaves on GG4 is not supposed to be there. It's a P deficiency plain n simple. That pinkish purple. Low temps can cause it but only during photosynthesis.
Lights out cold wont matter.
The genetic expression of a plant force fed through hydro and one grown in LOS so the plant takes only what it needs is going to be very different. The same clone is not going to look identical in different grow styles and environments. CMH lights will even cause purpling on strains that dont go purple sometimes without any deficiencies at all.
 

Greenthumbs256

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The genetic expression of a plant force fed through hydro and one grown in LOS so the plant takes only what it needs is going to be very different. The same clone is not going to look identical in different grow styles and environments. CMH lights will even cause purpling on strains that dont go purple sometimes without any deficiencies at all.
you have any prof of this, or a link or anything?

bc like I said, if u read through this thread, then you would know, it's a fact that i have ran out of nutrients! this was just another experiment that turned out all too well! the gg4, was supposed to cover a 2.5 X 2.5 scrog it grew so fast and big, I had to make due!

as said I've leaned bc of that, the 18g sip is just too small to cover a 4x4 with a lady thus size, and doesn't hold enough gas to cross the finish line! I plan to use 30g now, which should be plenty and do just fine!

so he's kinda right, but I also think he's kinda wrong, but truly I don't know! but like I said I've keep Temps very very low! as low as I can get them while running 1k hps! but at the same time, I've had leaves yellowing off at the bottom for two weeks now, a tell tale sign of the lady (or should I say soil) lacking nitrogen to she cannibalizes her lowered leaves to move nutrients where is its needed most!
 

Serverchris

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you have any prof of this, or a link or anything?

bc like I said, if u read through this thread, then you would know, it's a fact that i have ran out of nutrients! this was just another experiment that turned out all too well! the gg4, was supposed to cover a 2.5 X 2.5 scrog it grew so fast and big, I had to make due!

as said I've leaned bc of that, the 18g sip is just too small to cover a 4x4 with a lady thus size, and doesn't hold enough gas to cross the finish line! I plan to use 30g now, which should be plenty and do just fine!

so he's kinda right, but I also think he's kinda wrong, but truly I don't know! but like I said I've keep Temps very very low! as low as I can get them while running 1k hps! but at the same time, I've had leaves yellowing off at the bottom for two weeks now, a tell tale sign of the lady (or should I say soil) lacking nitrogen to she cannibalizes her lowered leaves to move nutrients where is it most!
I really doubt you have ran out of nutrients with the amount of amendments you use in your soil. I only use 3 nutrient amendments and probably going to cut that to just kelp and crab shell from now on, well aside from top dressing grokashi. I also use fpe and amino acids but I'm just running in 10 gallon containers and dont run out until about week 6ish of flower. I like for my plants to fade out the last 2 week though because they cure and smell so much better than a fully green plant at harvest. The only proof I have is my experiments to find the best possible way to a quality product. I've grow dwc, flood and drain, hempy, coco, organic soil, and living organic soil. I've grown under hps, de hps, cmh, de cmh, quantum boards, samsung strips, and metal halide. Cmh produced purple colors on plants that never showed any purple under hps under the same exact note regimen. I never tried them once I went to samsung strips because I moved on to better genetics. Also the lower leaves yellow alot of times because the top of the plant keeps them from getting light which I would expect to be even more of a problem in a scrog. To be honest I think your 18 gallon seems about perfect for that size plant and that length of flowering. I'd actually prefer it to be less green at harvest but then again people grow different ways. I guess my point is you have done a great job with that grow, just because you dont grow the same way or with the same techniques as others doesnt necessarily mean your lacking anything.
 

Heisenbeans

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The genetic expression of a plant force fed through hydro and one grown in LOS so the plant takes only what it needs is going to be very different. The same clone is not going to look identical in different grow styles and environments. CMH lights will even cause purpling on strains that dont go purple sometimes without any deficiencies at all.
lol
 

Serverchris

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And to expand on that, I need my bud cured and ready to go 3 weeks after harvest. You cant get that with a green plant. I've tried and it takes a month more like 2 to get it to smell like it should. Even then I get alot stronger smell from a plant that has faded. If I had time to wait months after a harvest maybe I would try to keep it green til harvest but for my uses that's no good to me. Everyone does their own thing for their own reasons.
 

Greenthumbs256

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as u can see, the yellowing got really bad, I had to top dress and top water in some things to help slow it down!

which completely defeats the entire purpose of what I'm trying to do here! but it's obvious I was running out! you have to think, this lady went 3 months, give or take, and never got anything!!! of course 18g is enough if your feeding or growing a smaller girl, but not enough for what did! plus gotta take into account the size of the rez, on a 18g sip. that's gotta be about 3g of rez space! so who grows a 4x4 in a 15g pot lol! that's my mistake, but next round I'm coming with the big guns! mother fucking 105 sabot rounds! lmfao! ol spooky, god of war!
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Serverchris

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as u can see, the yellowing got really bad, I had to top dress and top water in some things to help slow it down!

which completely defeats the entire purpose of what I'm trying to do here! but it's obvious I was running out! you have to think, this lady went 3 months, give or take, and never got anything!!! of course 18g is enough if your feeding, but not enough if your not, plus gotta take into account the size of the rez, on a 18g sip. that's gotta be about 3g of rez space! so who grows a 4x4 in a 15g pot lol! that's my mistake, but next round I'm coming with the big guns! mother fucking 105 sabot rounds! lmfao! ol spooky, god of war!
I was going off your latest pictures where you said you were like a week from harvest. I see in the 1st video they are alot younger and yellowing, at that point I agree it's a little soon.
 

Greenthumbs256

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And that right there shows why anybody that wants work from a real breeder would star clear of you. That's basic stuff, if you dont know that your basically throwing darts at wall
I told ya, he can be a dick, but really man he's good ppl! I've went back and forth with him Many times, he just says it like it is! no bullshit! that's what I respect, don't really give a shit about who thinks they own what plants and shit, and who's mad about what! none of that means shit to me! the fact he's offering this kinda product, he could have fucked my sister and shot my grandma, I'd still buy a few packs, would probably blow his head off with a 12g but I'd buy those packs first lmfao! it ain't about him!
 
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Greenthumbs256

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but I'm not here to talk about heisen, they prolly got whole threads dedicated to ppl throwing shit his way, I don't really care, I made this thread, for 2 things, 1 to show off this method I've been trying to tweak! and to show some beautiful bud pics and my grow! so if we can leave him out my thread, I'd appreciate it! at least all the shit throwing part!
 

Serverchris

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There are alot of really good breeders out there, dominion, karma, oni, and I'd throw in house and seed junky in there too but I havent tried those 2 yet but see alot of good plants from them.
 

Serverchris

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And sometimes crosses aren't made because the plants dont breed together well. Just because you have two elite parents doesnt mean the offspring is going to be good.
 

Greenthumbs256

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And sometimes crosses aren't made because the plants dont breed together well. Just because you have two elite parents doesnt mean the offspring is going to be good.
idk about that, u have a much better chance I'm sure, theres no guarantees in this world, other than 2 I know of, 1 Russian roulette, someones gunna die eventually! and if u fuck enough nasty bitches, your going to catch something eventually!
 

Serverchris

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idk about that, u have a much better chance I'm sure, theres no guarantees in this world, other than 2 I know of, 1 Russian roulette, someones gunna die eventually! and if u fuck enough nasty bitches, your going to catch something eventually!
Read into breeding a little bit. Alot of times the good traits your looking for are recessive not dominant. If the good traits are recessive your F1's arent going to be anything like the parents. It will take you some more breeding cycles and plant selection to find to good traits. Can you luck into some good crosses? Of course you can but it's not as simple as it seems. It takes years of work to breed a stable seed with all the traits you want.
 

Heisenbeans

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And that right there shows why anybody that wants work from a real breeder would star clear of you. That's basic stuff, if you dont know that your basically throwing darts at wall
Lol your just full of shit man. Straight up noob in here giving dude advice. CMH makes my plants purple Haha. Maybe it's the extra par that's giving you the definciecys dummy.
Phantom definciecys in the shade is not enough . Under the lights it's to much. Again 3rd grade growing. I'll put 5his here for you. Some shit I threw at the wall.
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Heisenbeans

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Read into breeding a little bit. Alot of times the good traits your looking for are recessive not dominant. If the good traits are recessive your F1's arent going to be anything like the parents. It will take you some more breeding cycles and plant selection to find to good traits. Can you luck into some good crosses? Of course you can but it's not as simple as it seems. It takes years of work to breed a stable seed with all the traits you want.
Your a straight up fuckstick. When was the last time someone's kid looked more like the grandparents than the parents. What your talking about is breeding traits away from the original parents.
Most breeders wont make f1s of gifted clones for a reason. It's as close as it gets. Your buying fucking seeds that are ALL f1s of 2 fucking parents. At what point do you get the perfect crosses? Think about wtf I'm saying. Seeds are all F1s from 2 plants. You got to that point somehow by selecting those two parents for a reason.
 

Greenthumbs256

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Lol your just full of shit man. Straight up noob in here giving dude advice. CMH makes my plants purple Haha. Maybe it's the extra par that's giving you the definciecys dummy.
Phantom definciecys in the shade is not enough . Under the lights it's to much. Again 3rd grade growing. I'll put 5his here for you. Some shit I threw at the wall.
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that is some pretty as ladies!

Read into breeding a little bit. Alot of times the good traits your looking for are recessive not dominant. If the good traits are recessive your F1's arent going to be anything like the parents. It will take you some more breeding cycles and plant selection to find to good traits. Can you luck into some good crosses? Of course you can but it's not as simple as it seems. It takes years of work to breed a stable seed with all the traits you want.
I've got enough researching and shit on my plate, breeding just like leds, and all that shit makes zero sense to me! honestly makes my head hurt! I'll find out the hard way! but I can't see it bot having some great shit!

I know if I make a 2k$ dog fuck another 2k $ dog. ima have a litter of 2k $ puppies! that's my logic lol I'm simple man! fuck all the bs!
 

Heisenbeans

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Read into breeding a little bit. Alot of times the good traits your looking for are recessive not dominant. If the good traits are recessive your F1's arent going to be anything like the parents. It will take you some more breeding cycles and plant selection to find to good traits. Can you luck into some good crosses? Of course you can but it's not as simple as it seems. It takes years of work to breed a stable seed with all the traits you want.
Stupidity. What if both parents already have these good traits you speak of and you wanna use them? At what point in the lineage do you wash your hands? Straight up goober giving some bro science bullshit about IBL landrace crap.
I'll take an F1 pack of 2 elites over a pack of IBzl any second of the week. Yeah sure the inbreds will all look the fukin same so for someone wanting a mixed crop to select from IBL is garbage
 
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