Returning bottles to the Beer Store? Beware of possible breath test by police

The Hippy

The Hippy

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Jefferson1977 said:
Other thing about this article is the police have the right now to demand a sample, but they still need cause to pull you over as far as I know, even with this new legislation. THEY HAD NO CAUSE as mentioned in the article.
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Pretty sure he'd say he thought he look intoxicated at the beer store while he observed him. Bingo...probable cause established......even if it's a lie.
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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CalyxCrusher said:
It's a federal law not provincial, Dougy can't pull that kinda weight.
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But he is subject to the same laws. Why shouldn't he get subjected to the same harassment? Just call in his name several times a day. I'm going to report Rachel Notley....and I don't even live in the province. Do the same with federal MP's. We'll make this law the biggest pain in the ass for them. It'll only take one or two politicians getting harassed and charged to change the law.
 
Laughing Grass

Laughing Grass

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the supreme court of Canada decided back in the 90's that random stops to check the drivers paperwork, sobriety or roadworthiness of your car does not violate the charter of rights and freedoms. Had the same scenario played out on the 31st of December without the breath test, it would have been within the law. The only change is they no longer require a reason to demand a breath test. As long as they are not pulling you over due to your race, sex etc. they really don't require a reason.

We have one of the highest percentages of road deaths involving alcohol compared to other first world nations, close to 35%. The right to drive a car on a public roadway does not appear anywhere in the charter of rights and freedoms, sorry.

Claiming this is the line that pulls us into a police state is a little melodramatic. If you're operating a multi-thousand pound vehicle drunk, you're a selfish jackass and deserve to be caught. Aren't you tired of hearing about people being killed for something so easily preventable?
 
Skoal

Skoal

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Laughing Grass said:
the supreme court of Canada decided back in the 90's that random stops to check the drivers paperwork, sobriety or roadworthiness of your car does not violate the charter of rights and freedoms. Had the same scenario played out on the 31st of December without the breath test, it would have been within the law. The only change is they no longer require a reason to demand a breath test. As long as they are not pulling you over due to your race, sex etc. they really don't require a reason.

We have one of the highest percentages of road deaths involving alcohol compared to other first world nations, close to 35%. The right to drive a car on a public roadway does not appear anywhere in the charter of rights and freedoms, sorry.

Claiming this is the line that pulls us into a police state is a little melodramatic. If you're operating a multi-thousand pound vehicle drunk, you're a selfish jackass and deserve to be caught. Aren't you tired of hearing about people being killed for something so easily preventable?
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No one is disagreeing with that fact. But you are gonna sit there and call me melodramatic that I make a reference to Canada turning into a police state by increasing police powers and limiting the citizen powers? You living under a rock or have your head buried in the sand sweetheart?

And you gonna tell me that police don’t pull over for race or sex? Well how do you prove it? You can’t.

Man this is so stupid that I’m going to argue with someone without any legal Training in our judicial system that I’m not even going to continue this. Just the way you talk makss me believe you use your welll renowned lawyer google for your legal principles.
 
Laughing Grass

Laughing Grass

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Lol seems like you are arguing and I really appreciate the dismissive sweetheart comment. I'm in Toronto, the carding capital of Canada. I have several friends who are young visible minorities and constantly harassed by police while I never have a problem. I know racial profiting exists and have seen it first hand.

Going back to the original story that started this thread, it doesn't appear that he was profiled for anything other than returning a lot of empty bottles. Maybe I missed the part of where he claimed he was racially profiled or pulled over due to his sex. That's a different argument and I'm wholeheartedly against racism or sexism.
 
Jefferson1977

Jefferson1977

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Laughing Grass said:
the supreme court of Canada decided back in the 90's that random stops to check the drivers paperwork, sobriety or roadworthiness of your car does not violate the charter of rights and freedoms. Had the same scenario played out on the 31st of December without the breath test, it would have been within the law. The only change is they no longer require a reason to demand a breath test. As long as they are not pulling you over due to your race, sex etc. they really don't require a reason.

We have one of the highest percentages of road deaths involving alcohol compared to other first world nations, close to 35%. The right to drive a car on a public roadway does not appear anywhere in the charter of rights and freedoms, sorry.

Claiming this is the line that pulls us into a police state is a little melodramatic. If you're operating a multi-thousand pound vehicle drunk, you're a selfish jackass and deserve to be caught. Aren't you tired of hearing about people being killed for something so easily preventable?
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Well they weren't doing any of that now were they? They can't pull you over just on a whim, or because they saw you returning bottles. Any charges that they would have filed would have been thrown out..they clearly did not stop him to check the road worthiness of his car or his paperwork, the cop clearly said he saw him returning bottles i.e. engaging in a lawful activity with no indication of non-sobriety. You must be a pig or something, stop making excuses for the police state.
 
Skoal

Skoal

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Jefferson1977 said:
Well they weren't doing any of that now were they? They can't pull you over just on a whim, or because they saw you returning bottles. Any charges that they would have filed would have been thrown out..they clearly did not stop him to check the road worthiness of his car or his paperwork, the cop clearly said he saw him returning bottles i.e. engaging in a lawful activity with no indication of non-sobriety. You must be a pig or something, stop making excuses for the police state.
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gb123

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Laughing Grass said:
the supreme court of Canada decided back in the 90's that random stops to check the drivers paperwork, sobriety or roadworthiness of your car does not violate the charter of rights and freedoms. Had the same scenario played out on the 31st of December without the breath test, it would have been within the law. The only change is they no longer require a reason to demand a breath test. As long as they are not pulling you over due to your race, sex etc. they really don't require a reason.

We have one of the highest percentages of road deaths involving alcohol compared to other first world nations, close to 35%. The right to drive a car on a public roadway does not appear anywhere in the charter of rights and freedoms, sorry.

Claiming this is the line that pulls us into a police state is a little melodramatic. If you're operating a multi-thousand pound vehicle drunk, you're a selfish jackass and deserve to be caught. Aren't you tired of hearing about people being killed for something so easily preventable?
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"As long as they are not pulling you over due to your race, sex etc. they really don't require a reason."

They dont need a reason to pull you over do they.?(not sure how that doesnt take your rights away)

lol WAKE UP. yer being snowed by a bunch of cons who are complete morons AND FOOLS.!

COURT WILL DECIDE differently...... and the same fuckwads aint gonna like it much, lol
 
bearded.beaver

bearded.beaver

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Yeah Here in ontario its happening alot since they passed the new law a couple weeks ago. Police don't need reason anymore. They can demand a breath test at anytime you are operating a motor vehicle. I've overheard people saying that, that includes ride on lawn mowers. So you can't have a beer while mowing your lawn. I'm sure if that is true but I heard some guys talking about while standing in line at Canadian Tire. Imaging getting a DUI in your backyard.
 
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gb123

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bearded.beaver said:
Yeah Here in ontario its happening alot since they passed the new law a couple weeks ago. Police don't need reason anymore. They can demand a breath test at anytime you are operating a motor vehicle. I've overheard people saying that, that includes ride on lawn mowers. So you can't have a beer while mowing your lawn. I'm sure if that is true but I heard some guys talking about while standing in line at Canadian Tire. Imaging getting a DUI in your backyard.
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and why it will get tossed ASAP lol
its laughable at best
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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Laughing Grass said:
the supreme court of Canada decided back in the 90's that random stops to check the drivers paperwork, sobriety or roadworthiness of your car does not violate the charter of rights and freedoms. Had the same scenario played out on the 31st of December without the breath test, it would have been within the law. The only change is they no longer require a reason to demand a breath test. As long as they are not pulling you over due to your race, sex etc. they really don't require a reason.

We have one of the highest percentages of road deaths involving alcohol compared to other first world nations, close to 35%. The right to drive a car on a public roadway does not appear anywhere in the charter of rights and freedoms, sorry.

Claiming this is the line that pulls us into a police state is a little melodramatic. If you're operating a multi-thousand pound vehicle drunk, you're a selfish jackass and deserve to be caught. Aren't you tired of hearing about people being killed for something so easily preventable?
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So what margin will this make the roads safer by exactly? It has very little to do with safety and a whole lot more to do with civil liberties. An officer can fabricate any reason they want to pull you over if they wish. Something as simple as "sorry it looked like you didnt signal back there." Even worse is that in the above article it was specifically about the amount of bottles which were returned. If you don't see a problem with that you're either willfully ignorant or sorely uninformed.

Might want to brush up on those charter rights...
 
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