Seed vault jailbreak - genes gone wild

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The Mantis

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My seeds are staging a coup and are ready to break down the doors to the vault.

They're all pleading to get out of the bag and into the big world. Each one ready to soak up sun and jump into some red dirt. And I'm going to help them.

Quick update on what's up. I've moved a lot in my life. Texas -> Oklahoma -> Florida -> Texas -> California -> Oklahoma. It's been a crazy last 10 years with moves from Texas to California for about 8 years, then back to Texas. Now back to Oklahoma.

A friend is starting a grow company here in Oklahoma on his land in the next couple weeks. I'm gifting my 2000 or so bean stash to him to grow out and plan to start working there full-time within the next couple months. So over the next year they should all be grown out.

I've had some of these seeds for over 7 years. It's way too big of a list and I haven't been able to grow for a few years because of being in non-legal Texas. Feel good that I get to let these genes out into the wild now. Ready for some fun.

Here's the list:
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Started a few already and will be sorting out plants and making clones to gift soon. Will be gifting out a bunch of my NL seed stock to local growers I meet. Really excited about the future here. Interested to see taste the local red dirt terroir with these beans compared to Cali.

I used a lot of fox farm of at first in Sonoma county with my indoor and outdoor grows but that got too expensive pretty quickly. Then found the local dump/recycle center in Sonoma and started using their organic soil mix that was much cheaper and could by it by the truckload. It was good stuff and after some top dressings of my goat tea, everything looked fantastic and tasted awesome. We made a bunch of water hash using some Matt Rize and Subcool methods (Hats off to both those guys as I learned a bunch from them. I use a lot of grow tricks I learned from Subcool on weednerd back when he moved to Sonoma). Some of the Bodhi stuff like Goji and Love Triangle tasted like pure fruit when made into water hash. I'm a believer.

Soil now is a mix of local organic stuff I've found and amended with alfalfa compost, peat moss, ewc, and mushroom compost. Will be experimenting with insect frass and amino sprays soon.

Will use this thread for all my grows and share pics from the seed jailbreak.

Any thoughts on which beans to break out next?

Would love to hear any thoughts. I have a list right now on priority, but sometimes I smoke, start thinking, and change the list up. #needamorefocusedhigh
 
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The Mantis

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Vintage Pakistani seeds. Got these and a few others around 2013 in Santa Cruz at Kind Peoples. They had a nice selection and I scooped some up. Life hit me and I started a new business unexpectedly there and had to move to the city and give up growing for awhile. Back now and popping all these goodies I still have.
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Vintage Pakistani #1 - fav plant so far. super vigorous and looking good. just transplanted to 1gal cloth pot. mars led in a 4'x4' grow tent.
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Sad but true, all these dream beavers decided to stay in their shells and never come out. Was getting some bad germ rates with the older seeds. Switched up a few methods and now I'm getting them better. Going to try some gibberellic acid (GA) on Petrolia Headstash in a week or so after some more tests.
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Kandahar Afghani - low germ rate on these too but still blessed that I have some in the garden. Will make f2s of all the heirloom/landrace/limited stuff to hand out. + some cuts of keepers
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rob333

rob333

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The Mantis said:
My seeds are staging a coup and are ready to break down the doors to the vault.

They're all pleading to get out of the bag and into the big world. Each one ready to soak up sun and jump into some red dirt. And I'm going to help them.

Quick update on what's up. I've moved a lot in my life. Texas -> Oklahoma -> Florida -> Texas -> California -> Oklahoma. It's been a crazy last 10 years with moves from Texas to California for about 8 years, then back to Texas. Now back to Oklahoma.

A friend is starting a grow company here in Oklahoma on his land in the next couple weeks. I'm gifting my 2000 or so bean stash to him to grow out and plan to start working there full-time within the next couple months. So over the next year they should all be grown out.

I've had some of these seeds for over 7 years. It's way too big of a list and I haven't been able to grow for a few years because of being in non-legal Texas. Feel good that I get to let these genes out into the wild now. Ready for some fun.

Here's the list:
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Started a few already and will be sorting out plants and making clones to gift soon. Will be gifting out a bunch of my NL seed stock to local growers I meet. Really excited about the future here. Interested to see taste the local red dirt terroir with these beans compared to Cali.

I used a lot of fox farm of at first in Sonoma county with my indoor and outdoor grows but that got too expensive pretty quickly. Then found the local dump/recycle center in Sonoma and started using their organic soil mix that was much cheaper and could by it by the truckload. It was good stuff and after some top dressings of my goat tea, everything looked fantastic and tasted awesome. We made a bunch of water hash using some Matt Rize and Subcool methods (Hats off to both those guys as I learned a bunch from them. I use a lot of grow tricks I learned from Subcool on weednerd back when he moved to Sonoma). Some of the Bodhi stuff like Goji and Love Triangle tasted like pure fruit when made into water hash. I'm a believer.

Soil now is a mix of local organic stuff I've found and amended with alfalfa compost, peat moss, ewc, and mushroom compost. Will be experimenting with insect frass and amino sprays soon.

Will use this thread for all my grows and share pics from the seed jailbreak.

Any thoughts on which beans to break out next?

Would love to hear any thoughts. I have a list right now on priority, but sometimes I smoke, start thinking, and change the list up. #needamorefocusedhigh
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all the same seeds just with diff names i no these seed banks pretty damn well
 
Greenthumbs256

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hey man just my 2 cents, lol, if your doing this thread to advertise or start a bean selling company, you should move this thread to under the "seed and strain review!"
that is where ppl go and look for beans! at least i do!

unless your just showing off your stash then that's nice, looking great and keep it up!
 
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The Mantis

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Greenthumbs256 said:
hey man just my 2 cents, lol, if your doing this thread to advertise or start a bean selling company, you should move this thread to under the "seed and strain review!"
that is where ppl go and look for beans! at least i do!

unless your just showing off your stash then that's nice, looking great and keep it up!
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Thanks Doc! I have no desire to start a bean company, but I'm always down to trade some. The purpose of this thread is to document some organic grows and keep track of genetics, traits, and favorites. Get some feedback and interact with growing enthusiasts like yourself :)

Note, this might be more for me and selfish reasons than it is for the community, as it helps me keep track of what I'm working on. I'm have some wicked ADHD and this really helps me keep everything focused. Being able to look back at old grows from years ago and remember what I was thinking and which plants I liked best is simply wonderful.
 
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Just popped some Sinai from The Real Seed Co. This stuff is going to be biblical.

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Popped some Petrolia Headstash from Nierika too. The seeds are the same pale beige color that the Herijuana seeds are. One pheno I got from from the original Herijuana seeds (#5) was a super branchy wide with big buds on the wide branches. Curious to see how these look compared the Herijuana.
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I also soaked some Pineapple OG f2s (Pineapple Thai x Tahoe OG Kush). Hoping to re-create some of the magic I had from the last grows. 707 Seedbank said they used a Pineapple Thai mom (I'm guessing it's the same cut that was going around Sonoma County - Norcal Seed Co. has a Pineapple Thai on their page and I think they might be the one supplying the cut) and a Jack the Ripper male in their cross they call Pineapple Thai.

Really hope I can grow out their seeds and my Pineapple OG at the same time. The pineapple smell came through nice on the 2 crosses I chucked, plus a little OG smell in the Pineapple OG. The Pineapple Lights (Pineapple OG x Northern Light5) had no OG smell but more chunky buds than the Pineapple OG version. The NL5 really seems to make the plants more squat, with one big, long cola and much smaller side branching.

Next on my list to pop are the Deep Line Alchemy #5 beans from Bodhi. The Iraqi stuff looks pretty awesome and if both Stray and Bodhi have selected a plant, it must be good.

I'm trading some beans with a few people and have offered to gift out some clones locally. The Vietnam Black x Thai x Herijuana cross seems to have the most interest from others right now, which I find a little surprising. I might move these up the list a few spots and pop them before the DLA5s.
 
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Popped some beans that last few nights:

Nibiru, Too Buku ((Vietnam Black x Thai) x Herijuana) and a freebie from Brothers Grimm Cinderella XX.

Too Buku and Cinderella XX have sprouted already. Nibiru and Too Buku are both about 5-6 years old so I hope to get a few.

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The Mantis

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Unfortunately, my old seed stock is 5-8 years old and a lot haven't sprouted :/ I moved a few times during those years and kept them in a wood box in cool/dark places. For all new seeds, I guess I'll need to start freezing them.

Seeds not germinating:
Nibiru - zero have popped after 12 days.
Love Triangle x Goji OG - zero popped after 5 days
Goji OG f2s - zero popped after 5 days
Purple Haze x Thai - zero popped after 5 days

I'm going to start focusing on older seeds that are not available anymore so I can hopefully get them to pop. I've tried GA on a few seeds with no noticeable difference in germination rates. Will give them all up to 21 days to pop, so still holding out some hope. I've noticed a correlation with higer germ rates during full moons, new moons, and when I change temps adding a space heater nearby and turning it on/off every couple days or so. Will report if any of these germ.

Next up in a few days:

Strange Love
Pineapple Thai BX
White Fire #3 x Snow Lotus
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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The Mantis said:
Unfortunately, my old seed stock is 5-8 years old and a lot haven't sprouted :/ I moved a few times during those years and kept them in a wood box in cool/dark places. For all new seeds, I guess I'll need to start freezing them.

Seeds not germinating:
Nibiru - zero have popped after 12 days.
Love Triangle x Goji OG - zero popped after 5 days
Goji OG f2s - zero popped after 5 days
Purple Haze x Thai - zero popped after 5 days

I'm going to start focusing on older seeds that are not available anymore so I can hopefully get them to pop. I've tried GA on a few seeds with no noticeable difference in germination rates. Will give them all up to 21 days to pop, so still holding out some hope. I've noticed a correlation with higer germ rates during full moons, new moons, and when I change temps adding a space heater nearby and turning it on/off every couple days or so. Will report if any of these germ.

Next up in a few days:

Strange Love
Pineapple Thai BX
White Fire #3 x Snow Lotus
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what has been your method for starting seeds?
 
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ShLUbY said:
what has been your method for starting seeds?
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Hey Shluby and thanks for stopping by. I'm dropping them in a cup of distilled water overnight and then into 36mm peat pellets. This method used to work at close to 100% germ rate and still does for the newer seed, but the seeds that are having trouble are 5-7 years old. I've tried some gibberellic acid mixed into the water on the older ones and haven't noticed a huge difference.

My storage method might be a big part of the problem, as the seeds have been living in an old wooden wine box through a few moves over the last 5 years.

Any ideas?
 
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Surprise in the garden today!

I was just about to FIM a Sinai plant I transplanted a few days ago and noticed a cluster at the top:
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Then I noticed it had balls! It's an auto-flower male with a couple big balls. I found one more in the group (#2 & #4).

Not really interested in any auto flower seeds, so I'm just going to cull them. I wasn't expecting this, but they are a landrace strain and I've read some landraces act weird indoor under leds 18/6.

Nothing on The Real Seed Company website about this strain being auto. Can't find a thread on them in the seed reviews either, so I might start one in the next day or so if someone else hasn't already.

--- Anyone here grown Sinai or any other TRSC gear? ---

Happy Cold Moon to everyone. In the spirit, I'm soaking some Pineapple Lights. PL is a pollen chuck of mine consisting of (Pineapple Thai clone x Tahoe OG Kush CC) x ('89 noof cut x BCSC NL#5).

I grew one of these a few years ago outside and she increased the bud size and the structure of the Pineapple OG. Really hoping to get that pineapple taste and easy going high again in my garden.
 
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ShLUbY

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The Mantis said:
Hey Shluby and thanks for stopping by. I'm dropping them in a cup of distilled water overnight and then into 36mm peat pellets. This method used to work at close to 100% germ rate and still does for the newer seed, but the seeds that are having trouble are 5-7 years old. I've tried some gibberellic acid mixed into the water on the older ones and haven't noticed a huge difference.

My storage method might be a big part of the problem, as the seeds have been living in an old wooden wine box through a few moves over the last 5 years.

Any ideas?
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usually I don't remove the seeds from the water until I see the hull crack open... but most seeds that's within 24hrs, usually never more than 36. However, I don't have any experience with seeds that are as old as yours, so there's really nothing I can offer haha. However, once I do see the casing open, I transfer them to a moistened paper towel in a sterile Tupperware container with the lid cracked just a tiny bit, and keep it in a slightly warm place for the first few days (i'm sure you're using a warming mat and a dome so not really any difference haha). Then gently into soil. I was going to suggest some kelp as well, but you're already using gibberellic acid soooo bongsmilie
 
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