A little confused

[shawnery]

I ran into root rot or algea my last two tries using hydroguard at first until getting root problems than switched to sterile. Both times the plants got beyond repair very quickly. I kept temps down with chiller and everything was in the sweet spot but still failed quickly.

In my cloner which now has 4 left over plants in it, incase my system fails again, which would no longer be considered clones. They're currently 12" with roots 2 times as long with weeks of root pruning. For weeks I've had them in 75 degree water with pool shock and low ppms. No water change for weeks, no fan, no heat, no chiller not one thing that should keep my plant healthy exactly the opposite you would think.

Why is temp such a big beal, aeration and all that other shit if these plants are blowing up in an enviroment that should be the perfect storm for contagion?

 

[fragileassassin]

Were you changing your water often when they were young?
It takes a while for the beneficials to build up in the system. I started mine and changed my water out each week for the first two weeks and was starting to have root issues. I read about letting it go early to let the bacteria colonies build up and didnt change my water for the next month and everything bounced back fairly quick.

With your last point, the commonly used environment for cloning is indeed ideal for bad stuff to grow, but its also ideal for cannabis to grow in that same range.
The cooler temps we normally use keeps it inside a good range for plants but it takes it below optimal range for bacteria growth. Its about finding a good balance your plant is still happy with so you arent having to constantly fight bad stuff.

 

[fragileassassin]

All i really know about that is you gotta find the right dose and maintain that pretty well and then the whole thing becomes dependent on everything staying sterile. If it went bad though, something wasnt perfect.
I would say the short answer to the clone environment working is yes. You can get away with a lot higher temps in a controlled sterile environment. We keep it low to fight bacteria and algae, if youre nuking it with pool shock, its not as much of a concern.

I went the hydroguard and cold route and everythings been great since I got my light leaks fixed.
About a month in I almost lost everything. I got lucky that 1 plant decided to show very bad very quickly and I was able to figure out what was going on and get it corrected. I used a waterproof scope camera I could connect to my phone to check the insides of my sites and was rather surprised at how much light was still getting in.
Everything else seemed perfect (ph, air and water temps, humidity, nutrient level) but light leaks were getting me.
Now I havent changed my water in 2 months. I read about other people doing it with mega crop so i decided to try it out. Theyre up to drinking over 1/3 of the 90gal system volume a week. I just keep it topped off with nutrient solution at 66F and dose it with hydroguard every week. So far i still dont have any mineral deposits, slime, or anything for that matter building up in my sites and my root balls are big white and healthy looking.

 

[kiwipaulie]

I just run h202, never had rot and it gets pretty hot here

 

[shawnery]

I just run h202, never had rot and it gets pretty hot here

Didn't have luck with h202 and I tried but i do use it regularly now as a grow enviroment sterilzer.

 

[foliage2018]

Try to find and solve out any light leaks. Once I got the algae bcs of not enough hydroton in net pots. And did you check pests?

 

[xtsho]

I always just used sodium hypochlorite aka Bleach at 4 - 5 ppm's with absolutely no ill effects. Professional greenhouse growers doing hydro have been using it for decades. No need to pay through the nose for some overpriced product that the guy at the hydro recommend's because it's got a huge profit margin. A gallon for $2.99 at the local grocery store.

 

[xtsho]

Didn't have luck with h202 and I tried but i do use it regularly now as a grow enviroment sterilzer.

Might as well save some money and just use chlorine bleach when sanitizing everything. It's a fraction of the cost of H2o2. They use it in hospitals, food processing, etc... because it works.

 

[shawnery]

I was surprised to find out that some pathogens can survive above 5ppm of chlorine but only a couple, I'll have to find the science article again. Not only that but you can also run a chlorine level as high as 20ppm when growing cannabis.

Right now I add about 6ppm worth of pool shock every 3 days just to be safe.

I just find it amazing how many issues I had in the most controlled enviroment but then in the least controlled enviroment the roots are on fire. The roots are sitting in water at the bottom of the cloner in 75 degree water and nothing. Its just hard to accept after chasing my tail for literally MONTHS!

 

[Purpsmagurps]

Hey shawnery. how many times has heisen and I told you you need a chiller?

 

[Purpsmagurps]

it doesnt matter how many fucking times we tell you, you just wanna argue. the bacteria thrive with living roots in warm water. quit using chlorine in your system and for fucks sakes quit asking everyone to explain it in different ways for you to understand, just do it and you wont be killing your plants.

 

[Purpsmagurps]

beyond the point of asking questions to argue hows it hanging bro?

 

[shawnery]

Can you not follow me with this thcfarmer crap please! I haven't had one issue with one person on here.

Just read the thread and start from there and if you have something useful to share than share it with some respect.

Read through my posts on here and you will know everything you just suggested, I either do them or have proven they don't work in my enviroment.

The whole point that you entirely missed was,
Why are my, now plants not clones, plants growing so fantastically in my cloner with beautiful long roots? There's maybe 2.5 gallons of water with nothing but a pump running 30/30 with nutes and chlorine and they are on fire!

My question is based off what i learned from you two!

 

[Purpsmagurps]

yeah, sure it works now. but nothing will beat not changing your water in your res for MONTHS because you use HYDROGUARD and a CHILLER.

 

[Purpsmagurps]

pics of roots?

 

[Purpsmagurps]

your question is weird because you know you ran hydroguard without a chiller and thats why it didnt work.

 

[Purpsmagurps]

this is what a chiller does by itself with minimal hydroguard. 4 months old..... and only 3 res changes.

 

[shawnery]

I'm trying so hard not to engage over and over with you but you keep stating false news! Your statement is untrue and that is a fact. I had a chiller and used active bacteria for the last two grows you are talking about.

Stop reacting to what you think to be true and accept what I say or don't but can you stop wasting thread space with false accusations and statements, PLEASE!

I'd rather talk with you in a respectful way instead of having to ignore you like i did heisen.

 

[Purpsmagurps]

then you used organics plain and simple....

 

[shawnery]

Roots but sorry my battery was low so no flash!

Can't get the cloner girls out so I need to try to unravel those roots. Two days ago they were much shorter but grew into eachother since then.

The bigger shorter roots are in the main hpa/undercurrent system. Just pruned two to three inches off these girls' roots so they should be longer.

Bottom roots are 7 days old today!