What do you think of Kellogg's outdoor patio plus
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I learned about this stuff shortly after I started mixing my own soil, so I've never really tried it - but! I've heard nothing but good things about it.
I get the impression that it is not quite as "hot" as FoxFarm's Ocean Forest (which is probably a good thing). Hopefully someone else will chime-in and give thier $.02 worth and maybe some experiences with both mixes. Here, in the Inland Empire (SoCal), a bag of "Patio Plus" goes for about 1/4 the cost of a bag of FFOF (serious savings!).
I get the impression that it is not quite as "hot" as FoxFarm's Ocean Forest (which is probably a good thing). Hopefully someone else will chime-in and give thier $.02 worth and maybe some experiences with both mixes. Here, in the Inland Empire (SoCal), a bag of "Patio Plus" goes for about 1/4 the cost of a bag of FFOF (serious savings!).
orgnlmrwiggles
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let me be the first to tell you know. SHIT SHIT SHIT. i hate it with a passion. its so horrible, and left mushrooms growing alll up in my shit.
dirrtyd
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I have to disagree with you as far as the quality. I have seen in one bag out of 50 the mushroom issue. My plants still grew great right with the mushrooms. Here are some pics from a grow using it perlite and some other ingredients.
brickedup417
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im growing in kellogs with a 30% pertalite right now, my neighbor used it last year and had awsome results, i think the yellowing is from overwatering or nitrogen. i just foliar fed them with some fox farms big bloom ,and laid off the water for a couple days hopefully it does the trick.
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Cannabis patient420
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im grow with that soil rigth now
AnimalMother1974
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Thats what I want this summer. Amend patio plus with Garden Tone and perlite, worm castings, later Tomatoe Tone and banana tea. Cant do it now cause its too cold.
xtsho
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It works great for planting flowers in containers for your patio.
Your plants will do fine in veg it's when they start to flower when you'll start having issues. I see people posting nice looking pictures of plants in veg growing in patio plus. Lets see some pictures four weeks into flower. That's when the problems start. The stuff is loaded with poultry manure which is loaded with nitrogen. Those nice looking plants will likely start having issues once they start to flower and their nutrient needs change. I wouldn't use it for cannabis.
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings.
Your plants will do fine in veg it's when they start to flower when you'll start having issues. I see people posting nice looking pictures of plants in veg growing in patio plus. Lets see some pictures four weeks into flower. That's when the problems start. The stuff is loaded with poultry manure which is loaded with nitrogen. Those nice looking plants will likely start having issues once they start to flower and their nutrient needs change. I wouldn't use it for cannabis.
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings.
thumper60
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u forgot to mention the gnats an root aphids that come free in every bag LOL
AnimalMother1974
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I too would like to see flowering photos as well.
The nitrogen in the soil should be almost used up before I reach flower, and would need to be replenished in the form of Epsoma tones and worm castings
What kind of mushrooms?
This could be a good thing
I'm just curious. Why not just adjust fertilization etc when it starts to flower to avoid any problems?
Metasynth
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I’ve used it for years outdoors. My main recommendation is instead of cutting with 30% perlite, cut with closer to 50% perlite. There is a LOT of wood in the mix that gets saturated and stays wet.
I dunno, it’s not the best and not the worst. I’ve always thought for the price it’s not bad, but I feel like there isn’t much quality control, as I’ve seen a lot of variation in the product year by year.
The amount of time they compost the piles at the yard where they pack the dirt seems to vary, as you can smell different stages of the process, and occasionally too much ammonia. That means a fresh batch where the nitrifying bacteria hasn’t been able to break the ammonia down into nitrites, which in turn have yet to be broken down into nitrates that your plant can readily uptake. Nitrites and nitrates are pretty different.
I dunno, it’s not the best and not the worst. I’ve always thought for the price it’s not bad, but I feel like there isn’t much quality control, as I’ve seen a lot of variation in the product year by year.
The amount of time they compost the piles at the yard where they pack the dirt seems to vary, as you can smell different stages of the process, and occasionally too much ammonia. That means a fresh batch where the nitrifying bacteria hasn’t been able to break the ammonia down into nitrites, which in turn have yet to be broken down into nitrates that your plant can readily uptake. Nitrites and nitrates are pretty different.
DCcan
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Quality control is the baghouse complaining to the loader operator that the splinters are poking thru the bags.
Most operate on poured concrete slabs, but ramp up in spring and dump raw materials everywhere. Loader operators scoop too deep full of rocks and bugs,dump it on chipped pine instead of the hardwood sawdust. Then bake it half as long in warmer temps during busy season. The pine decomposes at a different rate, and the bugs hatch just as you open the bag at home and sift the rocks out. Another loader operator may have a better eye and experience and turn out perfect batches from the same plant.
I'm done with pre mix, just do ProMix or Peat and make my own with perlite, Espoma and a few additives.Or buy the stuff thats been buried under snow all winter stored in the back of the garden center, thats aged nicely with the rocks.
Edit* Holy crap, thats all wood and no peat. No wonder quality is all over the place with that stuff. The different trees composting together will never work without time. At least with peat there is a more definite PH and rate to start with.
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