What the heck is going on with pot prices?

Lordhooha

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The ducting to be buried and the top side of the gaht system. The only moving parts are the fans and thermostats or whatever control unit you use. Very simple, no expensive failure prone parts, and effective.
I went overkill and had them drill five wells 175 ft a piece for redundancy. Over than the fan and pump there’s no moving parts in mine either. I love there’s no condensing unit outside to getting exposed to the elements and it’s super quiet.
 

SchmoeJoe

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I went overkill and had them drill five wells 175 ft a piece for redundancy. Over than the fan and pump there’s no moving parts in mine either. I love there’s no condensing unit outside to getting exposed to the elements and it’s super quiet.
The gaht system has perforations in the bottom of the tubes for condensation drainage. According to the manufacturer there hasn't been a single example of any mold or drainage issues with the system in any of their installs in any climate or geography.
 

Lordhooha

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The gaht system has perforations in the bottom of the tubes for condensation drainage. According to the manufacturer there hasn't been a single example of any mold or drainage issues with the system in any of their installs in any climate or geography.
Looking at those setups around the web. Those are pretty cool. I’m planning on building a new greenhouse this spring. Might have to get the tractor out and start digging when the snow melts.
 

Jimdamick

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Yea, the heyday for the blackmarket small grower is definitely over, but there is still money to be made if you have quality, variety, a fair price and a loyal customer base.

I live in CT, and my nextdoor neighbor MA just went legal and I did have to adjust my prices to match or better their dispensaries prices, which didn't feel good, but that's business.
I reduced my price from $15 a gram to $10 (I only sell 1/4 lbs, less jail time :) ), but that still makes me decent money, although not as much as I wanted or deserved. It still does beat the going rates by a long shot of what they are charging in stores, and plus my variety is exceptional, like this month my strains are White Widow, Atomic Bomb, Blue Dream, Gold Leaf, Girl Scout Cookies, Chemdog and Afgan Skunk for example

What I do know is that customers keep coming back, and I still struggle to keep up with demand (27 plants in a perpetual), and I just smile when someone says to me that I charge too much, because I simply say go away, buy that other shit then. (they never do)

Would I advise someone to start up an illegal grow operation now?

No, I wouldn't because of a few reasons.

1- It costs a LOT (lights/power/nutes/rent if applicable)
2- It takes a long time to build up a reliable customer base in order to make a profit
3- It still is a Federal Class A felony to grow/sell marijuana in the US, which is something not to dismiss lightly.

So anyway, to make a long story short, I'm into growing/selling for the long haul, too late now to turn back and give it up (my wife would leave me, she smokes a lot :) ) .I make a little less than I used too, but what the fuck, it still beats working like a slave for some Republican cocksuker, like my old boss

Fuck Trump, by the way

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max420thc

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Go

Good. 15k off tomatoes. Lols. I just called out the bull do do on this thread. You and Odin and your prices...
Dude, why you breaking this guys balls, yea you can make alot of money growing g tomato's
How long ago did you work on geo? I’ve never seen or heard of anyone that had to shell out 15 grand to repair anything on a geo setup. Granted I had to shell out Some cash for the loops to be drilled and all of that. But your right everything breaks I just feel your inflating the cost of repair. Parts are there the issue is having folks that are trained to service the units that’s the issue I’ve found.
How much do you think a five ton compressor and a evaporator costs to change ? How much does a condenser coil cost? I just quoted you a price from about twenty years ago on a water furnace, it may be cheaper now I do not know, I avoid them like the ague because of past experiences , just saying a normal T stat at lowes is 40 bucks ,
What's a new geo system cost these days? I do not know I haven't fucked qith them in some time.
I won't either if I can help it,
I was involved with putting in hundreds of geothermal heat pump systems in a commercial building once, closed loop sunk in a deep pond, some fool let the loop get sand and gravel in it, shit that normally goes wrong , nothing but hundreds of fucked up systems ,
I just do not like them , for a lot of reasons , I don't mind that you do or others I've just seen to much shot fuck up with them and when it does wow
 

max420thc

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Your saying a thermostat for geo is thousands of dollars? Just replaced the one for climate master it cost me all of 115 bucks just because I wanted to update to the newer version. Honeywell makes plenty that do everything minus give me unit stats like my l1 and l2 temps or how many watts the pump is using and all that.
Lots of geo systems have their own proprietary parts,
Yes for the water furnace brand then, a T stat is ignorantly expensive.ypu ever haul everything ylu own into someone house to change a nasty compressor inside someone's house ? No thanks I'd rather tear apart everything g outside.
It really. Sucks
 

SchmoeJoe

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Looking at those setups around the web. Those are pretty cool. I’m planning on building a new greenhouse this spring. Might have to get the tractor out and start digging when the snow melts.
Those are from Ceres out of Colorado. They have a lot of good literature.
 

Lordhooha

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Dude, why you breaking this guys balls, yea you can make alot of money growing g tomato's

How much do you think a five ton compressor and a evaporator costs to change ? How much does a condenser coil cost? I just quoted you a price from about twenty years ago on a water furnace, it may be cheaper now I do not know, I avoid them like the ague because of past experiences , just saying a normal T stat at lowes is 40 bucks ,
What's a new geo system cost these days? I do not know I haven't fucked qith them in some time.
I won't either if I can help it,
I was involved with putting in hundreds of geothermal heat pump systems in a commercial building once, closed loop sunk in a deep pond, some fool let the loop get sand and gravel in it, shit that normally goes wrong , nothing but hundreds of fucked up systems ,
I just do not like them , for a lot of reasons , I don't mind that you do or others I've just seen to much shot fuck up with them and when it does wow
Yea lots has changed since the water furnace days. And I feel you on the thermostats most normal ones will talk to most geo/ heatpump setups anymore. You may want to revisit them now. The technology has come a long way. What’s given it a bad name is like you said above shitty, no knowledge installers that had no business putting them in. Sadly a lot of have companies are out there that will still install a system and unfortunately won’t get their installers trained on the units they sell and that goes for most things anymore. Companies want to sell you all sorts of stuff but lack the knowledge of the stuff they’re actually selling/ installing. Even ducting, there’s a lot of ppl out there that can’t design duct work properly resulting in one disappointing setup.
 

max420thc

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Yea lots has changed since the water furnace days. And I feel you on the thermostats most normal ones will talk to most geo/ heatpump setups anymore. You may want to revisit them now. The technology has come a long way. What’s given it a bad name is like you said above shitty, no knowledge installers that had no business putting them in. Sadly a lot of have companies are out there that will still install a system and unfortunately won’t get their installers trained on the units they sell and that goes for most things anymore. Companies want to sell you all sorts of stuff but lack the knowledge of the stuff they’re actually selling/ installing. Even ducting, there’s a lot of ppl out there that can’t design duct work properly resulting in one disappointing setup.
When they put in two small a duct system it doesn't get evaporator pressures to where they should be, all of dumb shots put more refrigerant in to over come the pressure drop increasing the conference for pressures blowing up the compressor,fan motors and blowing holes in weak spots on the coils, normally the owner will not spend the money to correct the problem. So they have to keep changing compressors and comments, I have seen whole submissions and building this way, you do not see it. In commercial work so much
 

Lordhooha

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Lots of geo systems have their own proprietary parts,
Yes for the water furnace brand then, a T stat is ignorantly expensive.ypu ever haul everything ylu own into someone house to change a nasty compressor inside someone's house ? No thanks I'd rather tear apart everything g outside.
It really. Sucks
I’ll give you that lot of ppl out there live like animals. Me and the wife keep our house super clean but that’s just upbringing plus military mindset of everything has its place and things should be clean and dust free. Before working for myself as a network engineer I worked for a company that would send me to places that were filthy homes and businesses. Another reason I don’t eat fast food anymore. When you go and you don’t want to kneel down on the floor to replace a switch or whatever because the floor is so disgusting you just leave.
 

max420thc

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I’ll give you that lot of ppl out there live like animals. Me and the wife keep our house super clean but that’s just upbringing plus military mindset of everything has its place and things should be clean and dust free. Before working for myself as a network engineer I worked for a company that would send me to places that were filthy homes and businesses. Another reason I don’t eat fast food anymore. When you go and you don’t want to kneel down on the floor to replace a switch or whatever because the floor is so disgusting you just leave.
It's not just that, it's the clean places I worry about the most, how would you feel someone hauling a compressor out of your basement or in your hall way, he's got all these nasty parts laying around and he trips and spills a load of burned out co.pressor oil all over your carpet? I would rather do work outside on compressors and could and everything else of I can
 

max420thc

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Lord I’m hoping I was wrong really and he’s not saying a thermostat cost that. Because if so his supplier is ripping him off.
No , the tstat had to be special ordered , wait two weeks while the guys system is down to get the stat, don't worry it's only 110 degrees out , the stat was around 1000 then the service call and labor , yep around a 2000 bill,
 

Gquebed

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Here we go again comparing apples to oranges . I do not care what their cost per gram is , they will still have expensive tax's and regulations to come with ,
This is what drives the cost up.
As compared to a grower with no regulations or tax's . Good luck with that
You are missing the point.
Which is that corporations that moved into this game and whether the product is good or not it is your competitor. Quality isn't everything as has been proven by the North American Consumer for decades. Convenience and Branding is what matters now....
 

max420thc

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Yea, the heyday for the blackmarket small grower is definitely over, but there is still money to be made if you have quality, variety, a fair price and a loyal customer base.

I live in CT, and my nextdoor neighbor MA just went legal and I did have to adjust my prices to match or better their dispensaries prices, which didn't feel good, but that's business.
I reduced my price from $15 a gram to $10 (I only sell 1/4 lbs, less jail time :) ), but that still makes me decent money, although not as much as I wanted or deserved. It still does beat the going rates by a long shot of what they are charging in stores, and plus my variety is exceptional, like this month my strains are White Widow, Atomic Bomb, Blue Dream, Gold Leaf, Girl Scout Cookies, Chemdog and Afgan Skunk for example

What I do know is that customers keep coming back, and I still struggle to keep up with demand (27 plants in a perpetual), and I just smile when someone says to me that I charge too much, because I simply say go away, buy that other shit then. (they never do)

Would I advise someone to start up an illegal grow operation now?

No, I wouldn't because of a few reasons.

1- It costs a LOT (lights/power/nutes/rent if applicable)
2- It takes a long time to build up a reliable customer base in order to make a profit
3- It still is a Federal Class A felony to grow/sell marijuana in the US, which is something not to dismiss lightly.

So anyway, to make a long story short, I'm into growing/selling for the long haul, too late now to turn back and give it up (my wife would leave me, she smokes a lot :) ) .I make a little less than I used too, but what the fuck, it still beats working like a slave for some Republican cocksuker, like my old boss

Fuck Trump, by the way

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I am a libertarian cock sucker and everyone knlw we are the worst,
You get paid what your worth no one owes you shit, yoir really not that special.
Your old Republican boss probably fired your ass for doing nothing and thinking your worth a million a hour.
I notice how you like calling Republicans names but you know what? It's the cock suckong liberals only issuing growing g licenses to their rich buddies in many states, Nevada cones to mind and other states I could me too locking all the small guys out.
What is fascism? It's the merger between corporate and government interests.
Just like when you cock sucking liberals let the insurance industry write the healthcare bill so they could profit from it. Or handing out liceences to their friends ONLY and regulating and taxing everyone of their competitors out of business.
There is plenty of bull shit in both political party's , you only recognize the idiots in the Republican party and you should not be such a hypocrite when it comes to liberals .
Of you applied a equal standard to yourselves .
You act like it's only Republican that grope women and get a piece of ass then ignore liberals doing worse .
Jesus knock it off already you have already lost any cred you ever had.
 

max420thc

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You are missing the point.
Which is that corporations that moved into this game and whether the product is good or not it is your competitor. Quality isn't everything as has been proven by the North American Consumer for decades. Convenience and Branding is what matters now....
Every time , no exception when ever government t gets involved you have to pay for those leach ass cock sucking do nothing steal from everyone they run across ass holes. This adds to the bottom line .
This will make the cost of the product more expensive making it much easier for the black market to kick their ass.
You should see some of the crazy ass shit being proposed in Michigan , such as growing EVERYTHING from seeds .
This is what happens when government gets involved .
How are you going to control quality and production by seed? How you going to compete with low production and shit quality?
All weed will be transported by licensed armours car vehicles to and from testing and other places,
Do you know what a armoured car costs just to transport weed?
Crazy mother fuckers fuck up a wet dream .
 

Lordhooha

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No , the tstat had to be special ordered , wait two weeks while the guys system is down to get the stat, don't worry it's only 110 degrees out , the stat was around 1000 then the service call and labor , yep around a 2000 bill,
That’s crazy I can see why they’re the bane of your existence. If it were me going through what you have I’d prob have the same feeling about them. But I’m an engineer by trade and super inquisitive so I’m always looking at tech regardless if it’s farming tech or whatever. I simply like knowing and learning something new. My wife hates it at times because I’m full of just as much useless knowledge as I am useful. Lol
 

Gquebed

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Every time , no exception when ever government t gets involved you have to pay for those leach ass cock sucking do nothing steal from everyone they run across ass holes. This adds to the bottom line .
This will make the cost of the product more expensive making it much easier for the black market to kick their ass.
You should see some of the crazy ass shit being proposed in Michigan , such as growing EVERYTHING from seeds .
This is what happens when government gets involved .
How are you going to control quality and production by seed? How you going to compete with low production and shit quality?
All weed will be transported by licensed armours car vehicles to and from testing and other places,
Do you know what a armoured car costs just to transport weed?
Crazy mother fuckers fuck up a wet dream .
Well... youre wrong. As proven by the legalization of alcohol. It took a few years to Stamp Out all the illegal producers but it was done. There is no black market for alcohol really anymore. And we will follow suit... simply because all those corporations that have to follow rules and regulations and pay taxes and Licensing fees and all of that shit will complain to the government that their efforts are being undermined by black marketeers. So just like with booze laws will be written to severely punish those weed black marketeers... because the whole point of legalization was to get rid of the black market....

Make no mistake... we are living the last days of the weed Black Market.
 

thumper60

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It's not just that, it's the clean places I worry about the most, how would you feel someone hauling a compressor out of your basement or in your hall way, he's got all these nasty parts laying around and he trips and spills a load of burned out co.pressor oil all over your carpet? I would rather do work outside on compressors and could and everything else of I can
aint that the truth,i used to service wood an pellet burners in million dollar homes with white carpetsLOL
 
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