A civil debate?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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chemphlegm said:
I didnt make the law of this land, if I get caught not complying I'd be jailed. If it was that difficult to comply I'd be in a different land
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I'd be minding my own business puffing on a fattie.

So, you'd return a runaway slave to his master if that was what the law told you to do? I'm sorry to hear that.
 
Rob Roy

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PCXV said:
If a neighborhood is established along a river which they drink and bathe out of, and upstream a business starts dumping radioactive waste into the river, do the people not have a right to determine the use of that business's property in part?
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The people have a right to determine the MISUSE of THEIR property, which can easily be traced to the radioactive waste dumper.

I notice you aren't addressing any of my questions.

Do you think people should be able to control their OWN property and body and NOT the body and property of others ?
 
InigoMontoya

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Sour Wreck said:
i agree up until the point christians want to start putting up nativity scenes on public property. displaying the ten commandments in court houses, refusing service based on someones sexual orientation, etc...

and there is no war on christmas, trump is a fucking liar. obama and his family wished the country Merry Christmas every year.

for christians and their FAKE NEWS media to push this shit is divisive and wrong.


what would jesus do? would he build a fucking wall like southern baptists want to do....?

MORONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pretty sure Jesus would just shake his head and face palm at everybody
Fogdog said:
It is naive to say that republicans and democrats are the same.

Republicans are cutting funding for medical services for the poor. Next year about 2 million children will lose healthcare benefits. Of those children several thousand will die or live disabled. Republicans are pushing for even deeper cuts. Democrats would expand coverage, not shrink it. This is but one example of a very stark and clear difference between the two parties.

Regarding your naivete, I submit that if you had a kid that depended on those programs, you'd be less likely to overlook the depredations of the radical right. I submit that it would be difficult to have a civil conversation with people who support removing your child from access to health care.

Let's compare your demand for civil conversation with an earlier reply where you mocked me for saying the the tax bill was literally killing people. Pot calling the kettle black, much?

When an ICE agent appears in a Hispanic neighborhood, it sends a message that spreads fear in the community. People living there have mothers and fathers who can be deported by those agents. If you were one of those people, you wouldn't be so blase about the foolish anti-Hispanic police action the Trump administration is so devoted to carrying out.

Basically, you are a white male living in Utah who can only be blase about the actions of the reactionary right because you won't be affected by any of it.

As asked earlier, your views on abortion and same sex marriage are?
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I've already stated my opinions on same sex marriage and abortion. I'm actually from Colorado, I was born in a little mexican ghetto and I've been around poverty my whole life. As far as that goes funny thing my wife and son both depend on government medical programs. I almost lost my shit when I read that. You assume I know nothing about struggle? I've never seen the shit side of life? I paced around a hospital while my wife lost a child because of all that insurance shit so I better not hear one more fucking word about that. How have democrats actually helped though? They talk and talk but never do anything. Obama talked at us for eight years and nothing is better. Inner cities aren't better off, schools aren't better off, our country isn't better off. After obamacare do you know how hard it is to find a doctor to take my wife and son? Almost every doctor worth going to stopped taking our shit. You assume that I'm some priveleged and naive child puts me over the edge. Yeah I don't think it's up to the government I think it's up to us. What are you doing for those poor people who need medicine? I used my car as a taxi to get mexicans with no cars to work, I used my influence with my bosses to get mexicans with no jobs jobs. And when I get an elk at least 150 lbs. of meat go to those poor families that I must not give a shit about.
 
UncleBuck

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InigoMontoya said:
Alrighty then. Let's talk. what exactly do you have to bring to the table? Other than insults. You think you're superior to me in some way? Because I'm trying to entertain the thought that maybe we could all get along if people like you didn't spring it and just start throwing insults around? You're high and mighty behind your computer screen. Trying to bring honest and respectful conversation is somehow a bad thing? lol you're exactly the type of person I was trying to avoid by creating this thread. But feel free to keep it coming brother. You're only proving my point for me :clap: You don't know shit about me besides a couple of opinions and you feel like you have the right to try and insult me? I'm crying right now but it's from laughter. Not hurt feelings. I didn't know middle schoolers had access to this site. You're petty. But damn it I just spent an entire paragraph on you. :shock: holy cow I guess you did win this one.
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what's the most civil way to converse with people who refuse to condemn nazis or think it's OK to fuck 11 year old kids?
 
InigoMontoya

InigoMontoya

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Talking politics brings nothing but anger and resentment towards one another. Fuck this. How 'bout that local sports team guys? Or maybe the weather? How bout that bud though huh? :bigjoint:
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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InigoMontoya said:
Pretty sure Jesus would just shake his head and face palm at everybody

I've already stated my opinions on same sex marriage and abortion. I'm actually from Colorado, I was born in a little mexican ghetto and I've been around poverty my whole life. As far as that goes funny thing my wife and son both depend on government medical programs. I almost lost my shit when I read that. You assume I know nothing about struggle? I've never seen the shit side of life? I paced around a hospital while my wife lost a child because of all that insurance shit so I better not hear one more fucking word about that. How have democrats actually helped though? They talk and talk but never do anything. Obama talked at us for eight years and nothing is better. Inner cities aren't better off, schools aren't better off, our country isn't better off. After obamacare do you know how hard it is to find a doctor to take my wife and son? Almost every doctor worth going to stopped taking our shit. You assume that I'm some priveleged and naive child puts me over the edge. Yeah I don't think it's up to the government I think it's up to us. What are you doing for those poor people who need medicine? I used my car as a taxi to get mexicans with no cars to work, I used my influence with my bosses to get mexicans with no jobs jobs. And when I get an elk at least 150 lbs. of meat go to those poor families that I must not give a shit about.
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if you think democrats and obamacare fucked up the greedy healthcare system you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years.
 
Rob Roy

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chemphlegm said:
you cant set me up that way, I did not say anything close to that.
I did say something like "if I got caught not complying" so
dont be an asshole, read my posts thoroughly or do not respond.

peace
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So you wouldn't return a runaway slave even if the law required you to? I'm glad to hear that .

Is it
because you believe every person should be able to control their own property and their own body?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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InigoMontoya said:
Pretty sure Jesus would just shake his head and face palm at everybody

I've already stated my opinions on same sex marriage and abortion. I'm actually from Colorado, I was born in a little mexican ghetto and I've been around poverty my whole life. As far as that goes funny thing my wife and son both depend on government medical programs. I almost lost my shit when I read that. You assume I know nothing about struggle? I've never seen the shit side of life? I paced around a hospital while my wife lost a child because of all that insurance shit so I better not hear one more fucking word about that. How have democrats actually helped though? They talk and talk but never do anything. Obama talked at us for eight years and nothing is better. Inner cities aren't better off, schools aren't better off, our country isn't better off. After obamacare do you know how hard it is to find a doctor to take my wife and son? Almost every doctor worth going to stopped taking our shit. You assume that I'm some priveleged and naive child puts me over the edge. Yeah I don't think it's up to the government I think it's up to us. What are you doing for those poor people who need medicine? I used my car as a taxi to get mexicans with no cars to work, I used my influence with my bosses to get mexicans with no jobs jobs. And when I get an elk at least 150 lbs. of meat go to those poor families that I must not give a shit about.
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So then with all those beliefs of yours, why didn't you support the only party that would protect and extend the benefits you already recieve? You voted for a third party, which basically was a vote against the very services you and others need. Of all people you ought to understand what Trump and Paul Ryan are doing to about 30% of the people in this country. Yet you mocked me when I pointed out that they are literally killing people.

That you receive such service yet don't support the only party that supports the programs you need boggles my mind. As far as your complaint about Obamacare goes, the only reason the program withered under his term in office was because Republicans fought against it in every way possible. By refusing to fund ACA subsidies for the poor, the Republican Congress broke the contract with healthcare providers that was explicitly written in the original legislation to help keep costs down and availability up.

This is why the discussion breaks down during these debates. You fail to recognize that you are a fucking fool. There is no other way to say that to somebody who objectively can be said to have voted against their own interests and denys it to this day. By calling you a fucking fool, I'm not calling you a name, I'm just speaking truth.
 
UncleBuck

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chemphlegm said:
for a year now...it just doesnt end with you.
You are infatuated with fucking children and nazis and probably nazi children
you are a sick cuck in need of help, please heal soon

namaste, asshole
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i was referring to people like chomoer, twopump, and rob roy moore.

but i guess those pedophiles and nazis are on your side so you don't care
 
Sour Wreck

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Fogdog said:
So then with all those beliefs of yours, why didn't you support the only party that would protect and extend the benefits you already recieve? You voted for a third party, which basically was a vote against the very services you and others need. Of all people you ought to understand what Trump and Paul Ryan are doing to about 30% of the people in this country. Yet you mocked me when I pointed out that they are literally killing people.

That you receive such service yet don't support the only party that supports the programs you need boggles my mind. As far as your complaint about Obamacare goes, the only reason the program withered under his term in office was because Republicans fought against it in every way possible. By refusing to fund ACA subsidies for the poor, the Republican Congress broke the contract with healthcare providers that was explicitly written in the original legislation to help keep costs down and availability up.

This is why the discussion breaks down during these debates. You fail to recognize that you are a fucking fool. There is no other way to say that to somebody who objectively can be said to have voted against their own interests and denys it to this day. By calling you a fucking fool, I'm not calling you a name, I'm just speaking truth.
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so true.

you wouldn't believe the people i know that vote republican when it's against their own eceonomic sense, just because they believe republicans are moral.

morons !!!!!!!

we get to point where we can't agree on the facts. and that falls clearly on reagan for getting rid of the fairness doctrine, then rush, hannity, levin, jones, carlson, brietbart, fauxnews and drudge to totally spread bullshit and lies
 
InigoMontoya

InigoMontoya

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Fogdog said:
So then with all those beliefs of yours, why didn't you support the only party that would protect and extend the benefits you already recieve? You voted for a third party, which basically was a vote against the very services you and others need. Of all people you ought to understand what Trump and Paul Ryan are doing to about 30% of the people in this country. Yet you mocked me when I pointed out that they are literally killing people.

That you receive such service yet don't support the only party that supports the programs you need boggles my mind. As far as your complaint about Obamacare goes, the only reason the program withered under his term in office was because Republicans fought against it in every way possible. By refusing to fund ACA subsidies for the poor, the Republican Congress broke the contract with healthcare providers that was explicitly written in the original legislation to help keep costs down and availability up.

This is why the discussion breaks down during these debates. You fail to recognize that you are a fucking fool. There is no other way to say that to somebody who objectively can be said to have voted against their own interests and denys it to this day. By calling you a fucking fool, I'm not calling you a name, I'm just speaking truth.
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The republicans fought against it but had very little impact on a lot of different programs. It wasn't just one program the bill was a clusterfuck. They had no majority. The program failed because it doesn't work in real life. I wasn't trying to mock you I just like to have fun when people say literally. I meant no offense. But the problem was there wasn't a discussion in the first place. I didn't agree with either major parties. And my duty as a voting citizen isn't to say meh and compromise, but to stand firm on my values. Anyways. I digress. I apologize to any I was rude to, intentionally or unintentionally, and truly wish you all the best. I don't think any of you are 'fucking fools' or idiots or assholes for disagreeing with me. I just think we have different opinions. Much love and peace out:peace: I'ma hop outta politics and leave it to you go getters :wink:.
 
Fogdog

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InigoMontoya said:
The republicans fought against it but had no impact on it. They had no majority. The program failed because it doesn't work in real life. I wasn't trying to mock you I just like to have fun when people say literally. I meant no offense. But the problem was there wasn't a discussion in the first place. I didn't agree with either major parties. And my duty as a voting citizen isn't to say meh and compromise, but to stand firm on my values. Anyways. I digress. I apologize to any I was rude to, intentionally or unintentionally, and truly wish you all the best. I don't think any of you are 'fucking fools' or idiots or assholes for disagreeing with me. I just think we have different opinions. Much love and peace out:peace: I'ma hop outta politics and leave it to you go getters :wink:.
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Go back and check your facts. Republicans blocked funding to the ACA and broke the contract with healthcare providers. As a result, costs went way up and coverage went way down. Do I need to post a citation?

Oh hell, here is one.

https://www.salon.com/2017/03/22/how-republicans-quietly-sabotaged-obamacare-long-before-trump-came-into-office_partner/

This is such an easy thing to find. I guess you don't know because your were told otherwise and you stopped checking for answers on your own. Suggest checking those other assumptions that I listed earlier. You are very ignorant or very stupid. My money is on ignorant but I could be wrong.

Wrong about your "duty". Democracy isn't about not making compromises. Not making compromises what tyrants do.
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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Fogdog said:
Go back and check your facts. Republicans blocked funding to the ACA and broke the contract with healthcare providers. As a result, costs went way up and coverage went way down. Do I need to post a citation?

Oh hell, here is one.

https://www.salon.com/2017/03/22/how-republicans-quietly-sabotaged-obamacare-long-before-trump-came-into-office_partner/

This is such an easy thing to find. I guess you don't know because your were told otherwise and you stopped checking for answers on your own. Suggest checking those other assumptions that I listed earlier. You are very ignorant or very stupid. My money is on ignorant but I could be wrong.

Wrong about your "duty". Democracy isn't about not making compromises. Not making compromises what tyrants do.
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well said
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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dagwood45431 said:
Yes. I know this is a dead end. Please just continue on.
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Well I wouldn't be surprised if you believed something can be two opposing things at once and requires an inconsistent and contradictory belief structure to operate. So, yeah, there's that.
 
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