Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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captainmorgan said:
My point is that this and about any other LED topic has already been discussed here at length many times. Right now discrete diode panels are more costly and don't make sense for use on our favorite plant, they do make sense for some veggies tho. There are lots of people here that supplement their white COB's and QB's with discrete diodes of reds and blues and different light recipes are discussed here often with many people doing comparison grows with different recipes. Don't underestimate the knowledge of the LED forum members here, you've been talking down to more than one member here that have way more knowledge and experience than you. Most of the sellers here started as enthusiasts that shared their experiences freely with each other and are stand up people, there is always a bad apple once in a while but for the most part are honest and open.
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I don’t see how presenting solid info and defending my position is talking down to anyone. If I was rude the comment I responded to was likely rude.

And you are still talking like new lighting is not being produced and probably shipped. But the old pre built brand name stock is being blown out real cheap all of the sudden. And cmh too.

That is the part that isn’t agreeing with the discussion here. But I think it’s happening. If Hortilux is introducing something. All of the other big companies are too.

And if you read my posts in the light they are intended I am agreeing with the results being equal to de hps or better (or worse) depending on the grow at a lower wattage.

Better quality is about more than just the lights. And they aren’t even properly customized yet.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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captainmorgan said:
Don't underestimate the knowledge of the LED forum members here, you've been talking down to more than one member here that have way more knowledge and experience than you.
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Who's judging the experience level and knowledge? Your trying to make a point about a member debating a subject on a grow forum. Hope dude doesn't take it personal, he's a solid member with boat loads of knowledge. Everyone knows this. Everyone reads his posts.
I know it sounds like I'm sucking dudes dick, but I'm not. You punched a guy in the gut for no reason and many are saddened by it.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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a mongo frog said:
Who's judging the experience level and knowledge? Your trying to make a point about a member debating a subject on a grow forum. Hope dude doesn't take it personal, he's a solid member with boat loads of knowledge. Everyone knows this. Everyone reads his posts.
I know it sounds like I'm sucking dudes dick, but I'm not. You punched a guy in the gut for no reason and many are saddened by it.
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a mongo frog said:
Who's judging the experience level and knowledge? Your trying to make a point about a member debating a subject on a grow forum. Hope dude doesn't take it personal, he's a solid member with boat loads of knowledge. Everyone knows this. Everyone reads his posts.
I know it sounds like I'm sucking dudes dick, but I'm not. You punched a guy in the gut for no reason and many are saddened by it.
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If this is about me?

Thank you. I appreciate that. :-)

My punched gut will be ok though.
 
Chunky Stool

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a mongo frog said:
Who's judging the experience level and knowledge? Your trying to make a point about a member debating a subject on a grow forum. Hope dude doesn't take it personal, he's a solid member with boat loads of knowledge. Everyone knows this. Everyone reads his posts.
I know it sounds like I'm sucking dudes dick, but I'm not. You punched a guy in the gut for no reason and many are saddened by it.
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Maybe everyone needs to lighten up... :roll:
 
Humple

Humple

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captainmorgan said:
Seems more like arguing for the sake of arguing and will accomplish nothing and change no ones mind, pretty typical here these days.
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You highlight the difference between discussion and debate. I've never known anyone's mind to be changed by debate, because confirmation bias is inherent. When people are attempting to prove their point, they dig in their heels and fight to the bitter end. But friendly discussion can take you by surprise and make you look at things a little differently. Pity we have so much more debate than discussion.
 
Buba Blend

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captainmorgan said:
Seems more like arguing for the sake of arguing and will accomplish nothing and change no ones mind, pretty typical here these days.
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Humple said:
You highlight the difference between discussion and debate. I've never known anyone's mind to be changed by debate, because confirmation bias is inherent. When people are attempting to prove their point, they dig in their heels and fight to the bitter end. But friendly discussion can take you by surprise and make you look at things a little differently. Pity we have so much more debate than discussion.
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I agree.
I'm doing some reading.
I found a thread where the same type argument took place between hps and led growers 6 months ago. Thread ended after sunni jumped in lol.
Are there any older threads where both sides had a reasonable discussion?
I'm sure I can keep digging, just curious if there are any when everyone tried to get along and communicated and if anyone has any links worth reading.

EDIT: forgot to post the thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/are-leds-that-good.943014/
 
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Humple

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Buba Blend said:
I agree.
I'm doing some reading.
I found a thread where the same type argument took place between hps and led growers 6 months ago. Thread ended after sunni jumped in lol.
Are there any older threads where both sides had a reasonable discussion?
I'm sure I can keep digging, just curious if there are any when everyone tried to get along and communicated and if anyone has any links worth reading.

EDIT: forgot to post the thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/are-leds-that-good.943014/
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Every LED/HPS comparison thread I've seen has included both rabid, frothing trolls and calm, reasonable people. On both sides. It seems neither LED nor HPS has a monopoly on prickish fanboys.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Buba Blend said:
I agree.
I'm doing some reading.
I found a thread where the same type argument took place between hps and led growers 6 months ago. Thread ended after sunni jumped in lol.
Are there any older threads where both sides had a reasonable discussion?
I'm sure I can keep digging, just curious if there are any when everyone tried to get along and communicated and if anyone has any links worth reading.

EDIT: forgot to post the thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/are-leds-that-good.943014/
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Humple said:
Every LED/HPS comparison thread I've seen has included both rabid, frothing trolls and calm, reasonable people. On both sides. It seems neither LED nor HPS has a monopoly on prickish fanboys.
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It is human nature to defend their side especially when an investment is made in it.

And there is also something of a gang mentality that groups same invested people together to defend stronger.

It gets to be like an attack on the ones with an opposing view who also fall to human nature and wholeheartedly defend their position.

Discussions on an open forum will always run hot and cold this way.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Humple said:
Every LED/HPS comparison thread I've seen has included both rabid, frothing trolls and calm, reasonable people. On both sides. It seems neither LED nor HPS has a monopoly on prickish fanboys.
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MichiganMedGrower said:
It is human nature to defend their side especially when an investment is made in it.

And there is also something of a gang mentality that groups same invested people together to defend stronger.

It gets to be like an attack on the ones with an opposing view who also fall to human nature and wholeheartedly defend their position.

Discussions on an open forum will always run hot and cold this way.
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OK fair enough, there are pricks on both sides.
There must be similar examples of us vs them that are not always so hostile.
Not sure what is a good example. Hydro vs organic?

Just thinking out loud.
Most soil growers know what they are in for if they switch, same with hydro growers.
Each side has an idea of what would happen and how results may change if they switched.

Yes the hps guys were acting as most will act in an us vs them fight.
Yes trolls will show up and fighting will get worse. It would be nice to see an led guy stand up for an hps guy that is being badgered. This is your house after all.

Maybe I'm wrong and need to read more.

If you notice in the other thread the guy with the karate kid opponent avatar takes a stand against something he did not agree with. He ended up saying to get the troll of his back, hey, I'm an led guy, I grow led, I'm pro led.

To me it seems the led guys that want to debate can't take the other side without retribution from the rest.
If it was an us vs them fight organic vs hydro I would not see there being any problems if anyone took the others side in some situations when they disagree with their own side.

Also note in the other thread yodaweed posted several times. He did not attack anyone yet he was attacked and left the thread. I did not see him attack anyone. Just had to point that out.
 
genuity

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nxsov180db said:
I started off with hid lighting, then I fed into the mars led hype, lets just say I only used them for one grow lol. I always wanted to use COB led but when I was looking around the only name being thrown around was cree 3590 and the prices were 40-50+. I had to give growing a break for a couple years, during those couple years every once in a while I came on the forums to see what was new and I'd read into cob led lighting and eventually found a route much more affordable than cree 3590's, So I thought to myself I'm gonna build a decent size cob led setup and see what I can do with them, everyone raves about these damn things and I "think" I can put together an array of cobs that should compare with a 1000w hid for maybe about the cost of 2 1000w kits. So I sold all my lights (6x 600w kits, 7 or 8 1000w kits and all kinds of hoods and cool tubes). When the time came I bought 111x Citizen cobs and 13x meanwell 320's. I started off with auto's, my first auto grow in 4x8 tent yielded 4.5lbs. My best grow to date is 6lbs 9oz from a 4x8 (I run 3x 4x8's) So what I thought would compare/compete with a 1000w hid actually blows it away (in the yield department anyways). Now for the quality.. I have great quality weed,I've grown probably 10 different strains if not more since switching to cob led and every one is frosty as hell, oily and sticky as fuck. I've posted pictures of one strain in the thread "who has the frostiest buds" and I received pretty good feedback, a few people asked me how I got them so frosty, people seemed impressed. I've since worked on expanding my grow, I bought 288x cobs earlier this year and a couple days ago I put an order in for 54x samsung 304 piece lm561c pcb boards. HID lighting grows good weed even great weed but in my experience a significant increase in quality and yield was directly related to switching lighting technologies. I would like to add that I can not comment on the quality of CMH or DE lighting since I have never used them, my hid experience was exclusively with 600se & 1000se lighting.
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