Eye Hortilux DE/LED hybrid system

[a mongo frog]

i keep busy.... its a little different not having turn key fixtures

I feel ya, I'm not downing you. I just don't understand how this word is going to get out when no one knows about it. The commercial industry doesn't know what a quantum board is and they don't know what a cob light is.
If its really 30% bigger yields then a DE HPS then someone needs to pitch to these guys. Because your talking 4-5 pounds per 25 square feet with what you just said. They are setting up shop all over here in northern California and its DE's everywhere. Someone needs to talk to theses guys if your serious and can vouch for those numbers.

 

[ttystikk]

I feel ya, I'm not downing you. I just don't understand how this word is going to get out when no one knows about it. The commercial industry doesn't know what a quantum board is and they don't know what a cob light is.
If its really 30% bigger yields then a DE HPS then someone needs to pitch to these guys. Because your talking 4-5 pounds per 25 square feet with what you just said. They are setting up shop all over here in northern California and its DE's everywhere. Someone needs to talk to theses guys if your serious and can vouch for those numbers.

Not by square footage; by wattage.

 

[a mongo frog]

Not by square footage; by wattage.

So would that mean we would loose warehouse footage because we want to save on electrical savings?

 

[CobKits]

Because your talking 4-5 pounds per 25 square feet with what you just said. They are setting up shop all over here in northern California and its DE's everywhere. Someone needs to talk to theses guys if your serious and can vouch for those numbers.

well yield per square foot is similar* but youre using a lot less wattage to do it. theres been tons of documented grows by gmau5 and GG and others who take the time to document and do the metrics. im not the greatest grower in the world but ive never consistently hit 1.2-1.5GPW before using good LEDs and im running the same strains forever so i doubt its simply learning curve after 25 years

*assuming any commercial grower is already running at a ppfd that is near the limit of what their plants can take

 

[ttystikk]

So would that mean we would loose warehouse footage because we want to save on electrical savings?

Jesus, you've been here for how many years now and you still haven't figured out that LED produces the same yield over the same space with less Watts expended?

 

[CobKits]

So would that mean we would loose warehouse footage because we want to save on electrical savings?

no it means you would yield the same as you would with HPS except with 60-70% of the electric bill

as far as the plants are concerend they are yielding the same per SF and same per # of photons.... youre jsut using a lot less electricity to get the same # of photons to the canopy

 

[a mongo frog]

Jesus, you've been here for how many years now and you still haven't figured out that LED produces the same yield over the same space with less Watts expended?

What do you mean? You pulled 2 pounds in 24 square feet with 900 watts of cobs. DE's are slaughtering those numbers easily. With way less veg times to boot.

 

[ttystikk]

What do you mean? You pulled 2 ponds in 24 square feet with 900 watts. DE's are slaughtering those numbers easily. With way less veg times to boot.

I love how you cherry pick your data.

Plenty of others have pulled 1.5-2.5gpw with LED, and that just doesn't happen with HPS.

In fact with apples to apples comparisons, I was pulling more with LED too.

 

[Humple]

Jesus, you've been here for how many years now and you still haven't figured out that LED produces the same yield over the same space with less Watts expended?

Getting an HID fanboy to admit that efficiency matters is no small feat, my friend. I wouldn't even bother with this one.

 

[ttystikk]

Getting an HID fanboy to admit that efficiency matters is no small feat, my friend. I wouldn't even bother with this one.

I'm just pointing out his ignorance for the others who might read this thread.

 

[a mongo frog]

I'm just pointing out his ignorance for the others who might read this thread.

You yielded way less with 900 watts of cobs then any DE running a 1000 watts in the history of gardening.
And the kicker is you vegged your grow for over 3 months to get that done.
And "cherry picking data"?!?! Its you greatest feat to date dude......

 

[pirg420]

heres an example of low GPW but high grams per square foot.

you can only push the genetics so far.

 

[ttystikk]

You yielded way less with 900 watts of cobs then any DE running a 1000 watts in the history of gardening.
And the kicker is you vegged your grow for over 3 months to get that done.
And "cherry picking data"?!?! Its you greatest feat to date dude......

Apples to oranges; I'm growing 6' tall plants vertically where you're comparing to people growing up to a dozen small ones flatlander style.

But @Humple is right- I'm wasting my time discussing this with you because if you were amenable to reason, you'd have seen it by now.

 

[Humple]

Apples to oranges; I'm growing 6' tall plants vertically where you're comparing to people growing up to a dozen small ones flatlander style.

But @Humple is right- I'm wasting my time discussing this with you because if you were amenable to reason, you'd have seen it by now.

Stereotypical HID troll. Tries to fit one example into his narrative, while blatantly ignoring all the evidence in favor of LEDs. As with Yodaweed and that Dr. Nick joker, if you go to the trouble of actually tracking down links to the grow journals that could enlighten them, they just disappear without acknowledging it, and then pop up again a few days later, trolling in a different thread. And then there's the classic move: they get massively butt-hurt if you call them out, so they accuse every LED grower on the planet of being butt-hurt to make themselves feel better. I say leave them to their electric bills...

 

[a mongo frog]

But @Humple is right- I'm wasting my time discussing this with you because if you were amenable to reason, you'd have seen it by now.

Of course that's the case. The minute someone questions the way you and @Humple grow, you too get all fucked up and defensive. Im get so fucked up i bought the 3590's, i bought the 315's, I bought the DE's.
You 2 guys just talk. None of you 2 guys bring your meds to labs get results post that data here like i have and many others here have.

 

[CobKits]

short link to your labs? thanks

as for hps vs led.... if someone who isnt a decent grower with HPS cant do substantially better with LED on a strictly yield basis... i feel they missed something like not accounting for the higher intensity or lower temps (which happens.... a lot... more than most LED fanboys will admit).

yield is still the best yardstick of overall vigor of your crop. if you under-yielded with LED and sent those to lab it would be hard to argue they had the vigor and overall development to be representative

 

[a mongo frog]

short link to your labs?

Go ahead and search for the others if you think I'm lying. Way before you even showed up here. Before the other site too.

 

[a mongo frog]

short link to your labs?

For the record GG has posted higher % and yes with LED.
And you fuckers still don't act right at times.

 

[Humple]

For the record GG has posted higher % and yes with LED.
And you fuckers still don't act right at times.

Get the fuck over yourself, man. You started the drama, and have been attempting to deflect that blame on anyone who called you on it. Thus far in this conversation, you're the only one who's made manifestly false statements, and you're the one who's resorted to the cop-out of telling us we're all "fucked up". There was absolutely no need for this nonsense, but you just couldn't resist the urge to try pushing buttons. I know they're shiny, but come on...

 

[a mongo frog]

Get the fuck over yourself, man. You started the drama, and have been attempting to deflect that blame on anyone who called you on it. Thus far in this conversation, you're the only one who's made manifestly false statements, and you're the one who's resorted to the cop-out of telling us we're all "fucked up". There was absolutely no need for this nonsense, but you just couldn't resist the urge to try pushing buttons. I know they're shiny, but come on...

No ones calling me on nothing but you and ttystik. You don't even grow, so I'm not sure where all your experience comes from. Couple months ago you were telling everyone how much of a noob grower you were and now your the king of the hill. Your so caught up on lighting, your not even learning how to grow.
Do you even own a LED man? You must right?