Underground Potential?

[psychadelibud]

Howdy,

I had just purchased some new property a few months ago. About 60 feet away is a pretty good size underground storm cellar that was built back in the early 90's.

I measured it this morning and it was a little over 8ft wide, 18ft long and a little over 6ft tall. There is no electricity ran to it atm. I am planning on running electricity, I am not an electrician but from the tutorial videos I have seen it doesn't look to bad.

Any recommendations on running the electric? Here is a photo of what it looks like on the inside. I will be painting the walls and ceiling flat white and at the moment the floor is just loose gravel and dirt. I plan on doing something with that as well.

I am not in a legal growing state so I have to keep this low key and not really interested in "pimping it out and investing tons of money" I want it simple and effective and that is about it.

 

[psychadelibud]

I have some elite cuts on the way as well so I need to get started on this project asap!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

if you want to keep it low key, i'd dig a trench about a foot deep and bury the wiring till you get to the cellar

 

[cindysid]

This is on your property, right? You say "60 feet away", so it's not clear. I definitely wouldn't do it, if it's not.

 

[psychadelibud]

if you want to keep it low key, i'd dig a trench about a foot deep and bury the wiring till you get to the cellar

Thanks Roger, I did plan on burying the wiring. What gauge of wire should I use and do I run this from the breaker box inside of my house or from the electrical pole? I will be running 3 or 4 1000 watt lights, exhaust fans/filters, digital ballasts and some type of heating. Most likely electrical or maybe infrared.

 

[psychadelibud]

Well actually it is more like 80 feet away after walking it. It is underground, I live in the mountains in Eastern Ky, no neighbors for over half a mile. It cannot be seen from the ground, it is on a mountainside on private property. I am going to put a reinforced door as well on it. It is completely buried except for the entrance, the top is not exposed and has weeds and grass growing on top of it. I don't see how security is an issue.

 

[psychadelibud]

And Cindy, as far as security goes is much better and safer than the last area I had been running indoor. Much safer. So I really don't see an issue with that.

 

[thumper60]

Thanks Roger, I did plan on burying the wiring. What gauge of wire should I use and do I run this from the breaker box inside of my house or from the electrical pole? I will be running 3 or 4 1000 watt lights, exhaust fans/filters, digital ballasts and some type of heating. Most likely electrical or maybe infrared.

sub panel an a big ass dehuyie looks a little damp,i think the lights will heat once those blocks r warmed up they will hold heat over night easy,couple layers of 6 ml plastic on floor pallets on top of that be a nice sog

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

they use 10 or 12 gauge wire to run appliances, usually good for up to a 30 amp breaker. i'd go with the ten gauge just to be safe.

something like this
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-250-ft-12-2-Gray-Solid-CU-UF-B-W-G-Wire-13055955/202316281
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-250-ft-12-2-Gray-Solid-CU-UF-B-W-G-Wire-13055955/202316281
you want the UF wire if you're going to bury it, regular romex isn't rated to be buried

 

[cindysid]

I would go with the biggest wire you can get since you're going that distance and running that many watts. I would also run it in conduit.

 

[psychadelibud]

they use 10 or 12 gauge wire to run appliances, usually good for up to a 30 amp breaker. i'd go with the ten gauge just to be safe.

something like this
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-250-ft-12-2-Gray-Solid-CU-UF-B-W-G-Wire-13055955/202316281
you want the UF wire if you're going to bury it, regular romex isn't rated to be buried

sub panel an a big ass dehuyie looks a little damp,i think the lights will heat once those blocks r warmed up they will hold heat over night easy,couple layers of 6 ml plastic on floor pallets on top of that be a nice sog

Thumper, I love your way of thinking my friend. My initial first run in this bad boy will probably not be a sog though. Because I am receiving those cuts by Friday (I hope). I am going to root them, veg them out and run them either in 5 or 7 gallon grow bags. First week of flower I am going to take lots of cuttings. For mother plants and possibly a "sog" in the upcoming future.

 

[psychadelibud]

they use 10 or 12 gauge wire to run appliances, usually good for up to a 30 amp breaker. i'd go with the ten gauge just to be safe.

something like this
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-250-ft-12-2-Gray-Solid-CU-UF-B-W-G-Wire-13055955/202316281
you want the UF wire if you're going to bury it, regular romex isn't rated to be buried

Run the wire in PVC or conduit too I assume?

 

[psychadelibud]

I would go with the biggest wire you can get since you're going that distance and running that many watts. I would also run it in conduit.

I may go with 10 gauge? Would that be sufficient? One thing I thankfully don't have to worry about is burning the thing down in case a fire breaks out because there is nothing really to burn. Its completely concrete and cement blocks.

 

[cindysid]

You're planning on pulling a lot of power. I hope a licensed electrician will chime in. I realize that you're not worried about burning anything down, but you want your system to be reliable, or you're wasting time and money. I would definitely get some pro advice before proceeding. In the meantime, you can keep those elite clones under a few t5's or cfl's for that matter while you're building your system.

 

[psychadelibud]

I would go with LED if I knew it would give me equivalent yields to the HPS. How are the LED's these days? Last I checked into them a few years back everyone that switched over from hps to led regretted it.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I may go with 10 gauge? Would that be sufficient? One thing I thankfully don't have to worry about is burning the thing down in case a fire breaks out because there is nothing really to burn. Its completely concrete and cement blocks.

If something overloads a circuit or you have a short from poor installation or something worse fails it will burn at the board.

Your house end of the cable is at as much risk.

Please call an electrician.

 

[thumper60]

If something overloads a circuit or you have a short from poor installation or something worse fails it will burn at the board.

Your house end of the cable is at as much risk.

Please call an electrician.

good advise get electrician to run heavy wire an install sub panel,take it from there

 

[thumper60]

I would go with LED if I knew it would give me equivalent yields to the HPS. How are the LED's these days? Last I checked into them a few years back everyone that switched over from hps to led regretted it.

I think running hps will save a quite a bit on heat over led instead of running electric heat toss in another hps

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

an electrician wouldn't be a bad idea.
the UF wire does not need a conduit, its in a heavy sheath and can be buried as is
if you lay the wire yourself, you can use the UF up to the box, then you can use regular romex inside.
it would still be a good idea to get someone with a license to make the connections to both boxes

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I think running hps will save a quite a bit on heat over led instead of running electric heat toss in another hps

Don't forget about heat in winter during lights out. Also can split in half and flip flop lights on times and that would help keep both rooms warmer.

But of course maybe increase cooling needs.