I'm switching to organics and I don't know what soil to get

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Nutria

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Hello growers, I am a hydro guy who want to start growin in soil, I have some questions:
  1. is it true that taste and smell are better for buds grown in soil?
  2. is it true that with super soil I can ph stabilize my soil so I don't have always to check it?
  3. are bottled nutrients labeled as organics really organic?
  4. what is a commercial good soil to start with?
I am looking for a soil to keep my mothers and to flower my clones (right into 12/12), 2 different soils. I need about 8-10 gal of soil, not too much.

Biggest problem is I live in EU and I can't find a lot of ingredients locally, nor on the internet. If I find em they are incredibly pricy and from different stores.

Can I link the store I usually buy from so you can see what I can get?
 
HeartIandhank

HeartIandhank

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You could mix your own soil. Do something like Coco coir, compost, perlite, vermiculite, and mineral dust. Maybe some coco chips or Pine bark chips too. If you use peat instead of Coco (which i don't recommend) then mix in some dolomite lime as well.
Top it off with coco chips and long fibers for a mulch.
Recycle your soil. Don't throw it out. Just add some compost and dry fertilizers and you are good to go.

I would recommend not using bottled liquid organics. Use some, like liquid seaweed.. but a dry organic fertilizer is the way to go. Mix it in at planting and then if need be top dress around week 3 of flower. Work it under the mulch layer.

Organics is easy.. correct, no need to check ph. A well balanced soil blend doesn't need it.
 
HeartIandhank

HeartIandhank

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You could start with about..
4 parts coco coir
3 parts compost
1 part perlite
1 part vermiculite
1 part coco chips
Mineral dust by label rate
complete organic fertilizer by label rate
a little castings
maybe a little bat guano

If you wanna get crazy you can add some extras like..
biochar
neem cake
pumice
paramagnetic rock dust
mychorrizae
bene fungi and bacteria (good compost will have it though)
EM (bacteria)
LAB (lactobacilus)
etc.. etc..

start there.. water it in and see how it drains.

Imo, most MJ growers overdo the drainage. They LOVE their lightning fast drainage, at times to a fault.
I like a soil with good moisture retention, personally.
 
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giglewigle

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im not the biggest expert on growing in any method but the best results iv had was with canna terra pro soil and bio canna nutes the thing with with true loving organics tho its all about having good micro life i wish i could be of more help but what i can say is check out the organics section lot of very knoledgeable people more than willing to help wit soil btw u dont ph if done right it should be ph stable its all about the mycrobes its a simple complicated as u make it have a worm farm so i make my own castings im a coplete noob in terms of iv ye to make it to harvest but ye check out teaming with mycrobes teaming with nutrients and teaming with fungi i highly recomend those books all u really need is a good quality compost but ye my advice check out thos books and check out the organics section u really dont need a super complicated soil with all of these diffarent amendments those books and tje organics section thats my advice man best of luck sorry i couldent offer more advice
 
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giglewigle

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HeartIandhank said:
I am not a soil guru.. there are plenty of those around though. Seek them out!
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ye i know im balls deep in the organic section from what iv seen theres some people who go as somple as a base moxed with castings and get just as good resalts as the complicated people but one things for sure a plant will only grow as good as its most limating facter
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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Nutria said:
Hello growers, I am a hydro guy who want to start growin in soil, I have some questions:
  1. is it true that taste and smell are better for buds grown in soil?
  2. is it true that with super soil I can ph stabilize my soil so I don't have always to check it?
  3. are bottled nutrients labeled as organics really organic?
  4. what is a commercial good soil to start with?
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1. Generally, if the grower knows what they're doing Yes, the buds smell and taste a lot better.

2. Yes this is true. The Soil will hold on to a certain amount of Cations giving you a certain ph depending on what and how much you put in your soil.

3. No

4. There isn't one. A good soil to start with would be your own. This way your assured to have a good balanced consistent mix.
 
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Nutria

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HeartIandhank said:
You could start with about..
4 parts coco coir
3 parts compost
1 part perlite
1 part vermiculite
1 part coco chips
Mineral dust by label rate
complete organic fertilizer by label rate
a little castings
maybe a little bat guano

If you wanna get crazy you can add some extras like..
biochar
neem cake
pumice
paramagnetic rock dust
mychorrizae
bene fungi and bacteria (good compost will have it though)
EM (bacteria)
LAB (lactobacilus)
etc.. etc..

start there.. water it in and see how it drains.

Imo, most MJ growers overdo the drainage. They LOVE their lightning fast drainage, at times to a fault.
I like a soil with good moisture retention, personally.
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Thanks a lot!
You don't mean to mix your ingredients with a base soil but to use them straight as they are, am I right?
I do not compost at home so I don't know where to find it, gonna ask someone.
(EDIT: with "compost", do you mean an universal organic fertilizer? which npk ratio?)
I also can't find anything from label rate...

I can get coco, perlite, vermiculite.
In powder form I can get: fish powder(4-5-1), palm tree(0-3-14), seaweed(0.5-2-0), bat guano or a complete fert (2-5-3).
+bone meal, epsom salts, mineral phosphate
 
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toomp

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Nutria said:
Hello growers, I am a hydro guy who want to start growin in soil, I have some questions:
  1. is it true that taste and smell are better for buds grown in soil?
  2. is it true that with super soil I can ph stabilize my soil so I don't have always to check it?
  3. are bottled nutrients labeled as organics really organic?
  4. what is a commercial good soil to start with?
I am looking for a soil to keep my mothers and to flower my clones (right into 12/12), 2 different soils. I need about 8-10 gal of soil, not too much.

Biggest problem is I live in EU and I can't find a lot of ingredients locally, nor on the internet. If I find em they are incredibly pricy and from different stores.

Can I link the store I usually buy from so you can see what I can get?
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Ocean Forest or Roots Organic
Crab Shell, Fish Ferts
Sea bird guano if you need to complicate things.
Done

Very simple. It can get complicated on mj forums. But organics is very simple.

Don't worry about rock dust and silly stuff like that you will be in another world before it will ever break down in a container.
 
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Nutria

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toomp said:
Ocean Forest or Roots Organic
Crab Shell, Fish Ferts
Sea bird guano if you need to complicate things.
Done

Very simple. It can get complicated on mj forums. But organics is very simple.

Don't worry about rock dust and silly stuff like that you will be in another world before it will ever break down in a container.
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In EU roots organics and ocean forest are not available
 
GreenLogician

GreenLogician

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Canna terra professional is great, I love it. I can put cuttings straight into it, and it's pretty rich with veg nutes to last a while.
Needs liquid supplements for flower though, or sometimes I'll mix some flower bat guano in when I transplant up.
 
vostok

vostok

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Nutria said:
Hello growers, I am a hydro guy who want to start growin in soil, I have some questions:
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I'm switching to organics and I don't know what soil to get
  1. is it true that taste and smell are better for buds grown in soil? Yes no magnetic clink feeling in your mouth
  2. is it true that with super soil I can ph stabilize my soil so I don't have always to check it? Yes the same with all natural soils
  3. are bottled nutrients labeled as organics really organic? only in the america, ask yourself what the preservative is first
  4. what is a commercial good soil to start with? in the Eu, anything marked as good for tomatoes and labeled organic
good luck
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Nutria said:
Hello growers, I am a hydro guy who want to start growin in soil, I have some questions:
  1. is it true that taste and smell are better for buds grown in soil?
  2. is it true that with super soil I can ph stabilize my soil so I don't have always to check it?
  3. are bottled nutrients labeled as organics really organic?
  4. what is a commercial good soil to start with?
I am looking for a soil to keep my mothers and to flower my clones (right into 12/12), 2 different soils. I need about 8-10 gal of soil, not too much.

Biggest problem is I live in EU and I can't find a lot of ingredients locally, nor on the internet. If I find em they are incredibly pricy and from different stores.

Can I link the store I usually buy from so you can see what I can get?
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I grow great weed every day. I use promix dirt and only add water and Organicare dry fertilizer per instructions. even you have amazoncom right?
good luck
 
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toomp

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chemphlegm said:
I grow great weed every day. I use promix dirt and only add water and Organicare dry fertilizer per instructions. even you have amazoncom right?
good luck
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Similar, got Crab fish in bx. Much more productive then these recipes on this forum. No bother lime. Green, green
Goes to show simple is the way.
 
vostok

vostok

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is a good stanby with use add some 33% perlite or builders sand from TESCO at 40 liters

A premium multi-purpose compost with added John Innes formula, this compost is perfect for all around the garden.
With sufficient nutrients to feed plants for up to five weeks, this compost will provide your plants with all they need for strong and healthy growth.
Please note that this compost is not suitable for acid loving plants such as Azaleas, Heathers and Rhododendrons.
 
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