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[fdd2blk]

My guess is you are doubting yourself because of the dry pockets. Maybe because the op said he checked and the soil tested dry. Maybe because he lifted the pot and said it was light. Maybe all three.
Might be under watering my money was on over watering when I read your 1st post, still is, even with the doubts created above. Just MHO and it has been wrong.

All the visual signs say over watering. I used to do it a lot. As the thread progressed I did start to doubt myself. The soil didn't look very wet at all. I'm kind of baffled as to what it can be, other than over watering.

 

[Racer501x]

If your PH is 8 for a long time thats going to tear up your plant when it starts to really want to take off. THAT is you problem. You have ph related lock out. . PH all the water that touches the plant. Make sure you are 6.5 to 7.0 or your leaves will display a magnesium/zinc deficiency and die right when the plant should be taking off. Once you fix the PH ad Cal Mag 2ml per gallon in your PHed water along with your feeding schedule. Your plant will heal but its gonna take a while.

 

[3LOC]

The dark green leaves suggest too much N. The tip burn would be the P and K burning.

It may not need a full flush but a few good waterings with plain water should help.

Looks like over feeding with a bit of salt build up.

I never feed what a bottle says. I always start at 1/4 strength and work up.

Most companies will have you over feeding to sell more nutrients and flushing agent.

I have never used a chemical flush.

From now on reduce the strength of your feeds. You can always add more but once you over feed its hard to correct.

Thanks again I will definitely update as soon as i see a change!!

 

[whitebb2727]

Thanks again I will definitely update as soon as i see a change!!

No problem. Hit me up any time you need to.

 

[Buba Blend]

All the visual signs say over watering. I used to do it a lot. As the thread progressed I did start to doubt myself. The soil didn't look very wet at all. I'm kind of baffled as to what it can be, other than over watering.

I hear you, I see at least 4 things that point to overwatering. There is another problem, he over fertilized. He's got a ways to go. We will likely find out before the end of the grow. Maybe later in a week or so we can get him to check a few things if things don't get better.

 

[whitebb2727]

I hear you, I see at least 4 things that point to overwatering. There is another problem, he over fertilized. He's got a ways to go. We will likely find out before the end of the grow. Maybe later in a week or so we can get him to check a few things if things don't get better.

I don't think its over watering.

I think its chronic under watering. I've done it myself.

He said he is splitting a gallon between pots that hold 4 gallons of soil.

Soil will get dry pockets that become hydrophobic. A drop of soap in the water will break water tension and allow more water to be absorbed.

Chronic under water will look very similar to over watering.

I make mistakes though. The soil just looks dry from the pics.

Its definitely a combo of over feeding, salt buildup and improper watering technique.

 

[whitebb2727]

All the visual signs say over watering. I used to do it a lot. As the thread progressed I did start to doubt myself. The soil didn't look very wet at all. I'm kind of baffled as to what it can be, other than over watering.

Chronic under and over look very similar. I don't mean once or twice of under watering. It developes over time as the soil gets hydrophobic pockets.

 

[Buba Blend]

I don't think its over watering.

I think its chronic under watering. I've done it myself.

He said he is splitting a gallon between pots that hold 4 gallons of soil.

Soil will get dry pockets that become hydrophobic. A drop of soap in the water will break water tension and allow more water to be absorbed.

Chronic under water will look very similar to over watering.

I make mistakes though. The soil just looks dry from the pics.

Its definitely a combo of over feeding, salt buildup and improper watering technique.

I like this thread. Not many situations where just as many things point to both under and over watering.
I'll start with the roots. IDK if nutrients can turn roots brown but to me the single picture not the pair of pictures. To me the roots look brown in the single picture.
Here is what I think roots should look like. Can anything but over watering cause that?
Do his roots look white?

 

[whitebb2727]

I like this thread. Not many situations where just as many things point to both under and over watering.
I'll start with the roots. IDK if nutrients can turn roots brown but to me the single picture not the pair of pictures. To me the roots look brown in the single picture.
Here is what I think roots should look like. Can anything but over watering cause that?
Do his roots look white?

View attachment 3978816

Those roots don't look really bad.

With the pots the op is using they hold water in the bottom. Its possible water sat in the bottom while the rest dried and caused the symptoms of both.

I'm still sticking to chronic under watering.

His roots look good.

 

[Buba Blend]

Those roots don't look really bad.

With the pots the op is using they hold water in the bottom. Its possible water sat in the bottom while the rest dried and caused the symptoms of both.

I'm still sticking to chronic under watering.

His roots look good.

Sound good, I'd be curious of others opinions on the roots.
I think in time we will find out. We can't check the pots anymore because he watered them heavily since testing them for dryness.

Post by: fdd2blk, Yesterday at 8:08 AM
Are your pots heavy? They look over watered. If you used a half of a gallon of water to water one plant then I'd say they are definitely over watered.

Above I read 1/2 gal per plant, Is it actually a gallon between pots that hold 4 gallons of soil.?
I read your post wrong the 1st time, originally I thought it said 1 gallon for four pots.
How many pots is that gallon of water for?

How would he get runoff with such a small amount. If it went right through the soil the plant would happily absorb it back, but to me it looks like water was puddled their.
I'd also ask the op. How did so much water ended up in the tray. Does he always have water laying in the tray?
His probe test to me means nothing. If he had stuck it 4 inches into the drain hole I would have been interested in that. Doesn't matter now if he heavily watered them.
His saying the pot is light, That's means nothing to me. If he said it weighed XXX that would have meant something.
In a week or two, if he still has problems, we will find out for sure.
I edited this a couple of times to remove thing that might not be relevant if I misread how much water he uses.

 

[ANC]

I've recently done a test using new seedlings, I simply did not water them.
A few weeks later after, they fell over, I pulled them and observed that they had no roots left.
I always assumed it would produce more roots, but instead it stretched the plant looking for light.

 

[Buba Blend]

Those roots don't look really bad.

With the pots the op is using they hold water in the bottom. Its possible water sat in the bottom while the rest dried and caused the symptoms of both.

I'm still sticking to chronic under watering.

His roots look good.

Just thought of something. Is it possible the OP is watering from the bottom up, filling the tray with water?

 

[whitebb2727]

Just thought of something. Is it possible the OP is watering from the bottom up, filling the tray with water?

Yes. Sort of. The pot hold water like a hempy bucket.

Using high feed rate and it sitting in the bottom of the pot is not good.

We will find out.

 

[3LOC]

Those roots don't look really bad.

With the pots the op is using they hold water in the bottom. Its possible water sat in the bottom while the rest dried and caused the symptoms of both.

I'm still sticking to chronic under watering.

His roots look good.

I knocked some soil off the top an the roots were white. There was a time early on I was told I was overwatering. I scaled it back, like i said this my first grow!! An i had water set in the tray overnight because i was trying to test ph but discoloration of the water messed up the strips. I still need to pull my other 6 wk old out to check its roots as its showing wierd signs overnight.

 

[3LOC]

Just thought of something. Is it possible the OP is watering from the bottom up, filling the tray with water?

I water from the top an water normal does not sit in the tray, on average my runoff would cover the bottom of the tray. Maybe a half of an inch up.

 

[3LOC]

Yes. Sort of. The pot hold water like a hempy bucket.

Using high feed rate and it sitting in the bottom of the pot is not good.

We will find out.

Only fed once a week half of foxfarm trio recommended to a gallon of distilled water. But that gallon would be split between 2 plants/pots

 

[3LOC]

Sound good, I'd be curious of others opinions on the roots.
I think in time we will find out. We can't check the pots anymore because he watered them heavily since testing them for dryness.

Post by: fdd2blk, Yesterday at 8:08 AM
Are your pots heavy? They look over watered. If you used a half of a gallon of water to water one plant then I'd say they are definitely over watered.

Above I read 1/2 gal per plant, Is it actually a gallon between pots that hold 4 gallons of soil.?
I read your post wrong the 1st time, originally I thought it said 1 gallon for four pots.
How many pots is that gallon of water for?

How would he get runoff with such a small amount. If it went right through the soil the plant would happily absorb it back, but to me it looks like water was puddled their.
I'd also ask the op. How did so much water ended up in the tray. Does he always have water laying in the tray?
His probe test to me means nothing. If he had stuck it 4 inches into the drain hole I would have been interested in that. Doesn't matter now if he heavily watered them.
His saying the pot is light, That's means nothing to me. If he said it weighed XXX that would have meant something.
In a week or two, if he still has problems, we will find out for sure.
I edited this a couple of times to remove thing that might not be relevant if I misread how much water he uses.

Only fed once a week half of foxfarm trio recommended to a gallon of distilled water. But that gallon would be split between 2 plants/pots. Had enough runoff to cover the bottom of the tray an about a half inch up water sat overnight one time because i was tryin to test runoff ph. I stick probe tester down near the center an it doesn't hit the bottom.

 

[3LOC]

I like this thread. Not many situations where just as many things point to both under and over watering.
I'll start with the roots. IDK if nutrients can turn roots brown but to me the single picture not the pair of pictures. To me the roots look brown in the single picture.
Here is what I think roots should look like. Can anything but over watering cause that?
Do his roots look white?

View attachment 3978816

My roots are white looked better than expected

 

[Buba Blend]

Only fed once a week half of foxfarm trio recommended to a gallon of distilled water. But that gallon would be split between 2 plants/pots

Only fed once a week half of foxfarm trio recommended to a gallon of distilled water. But that gallon would be split between 2 plants/pots. Had enough runoff to cover the bottom of the tray an about a half inch up water sat overnight one time because i was tryin to test runoff ph. I stick probe tester down near the center an it doesn't hit the bottom.

Ok, good info.

How often do you water exactly? I think I saw it somewhere. Is it every 3 days? 3 x's a week?
Regardless of nutes, can you be specific as to how many days it is between waterings using 1/2 gallon of water per plant in 4 gallon pots?
If it varies that's OK.

 

[whitebb2727]

Only fed once a week half of foxfarm trio recommended to a gallon of distilled water. But that gallon would be split between 2 plants/pots

I would still cut back to 1/4 strength.

Half gallon a plant is not nearly enough.

The pot you are using holds a few inches of water in the bottom. That bottom will pop off. Then use a tray so you can empty.

If you thought you were over watering and cut back then most likely it chronic under watering.

If the soil drains good you really can't give it too much water in one watering.

Follow the tips I gave for proper watering and I think they will clear up.