Oregon Elite Seeds

Sam Clemens

Member
I'm sorry, I didn't see anything resembling what you describe as "science science" in your post, just things that could be paraphrased as "me and my bros at the commercial grow op chucked some female pollen and some wouldn't reverse, therefore you're selecting for herms" and "ask any bros who have grown Greenhouse."

It would be a great benefit to everyone if you could start a new thread where you could enlighten us with this science you referred to, instead of littering the OES thread. Since I'm assuming you didn't publish, you could start by informally describing the "experiments" which let you claim that making female seeds is actually "selecting plants that are genetically predisposed to throwing male flowers" when not trying to reverse a female. I don't think the observation that you were unable to get some females to reverse lets us reach that conclusion.


Normally I don't really care what people want to believe because it doesn't have any affect on me. This myth hurts though and not just because I have to sort through useless males. Some consumers are scared off, reducing demand for female seeds. Many breeders/seed-makers buy into it and don't produce female seeds. Because selecting males for female flower traits is time consuming and labor intensive, whereas selecting females is far easier and tens of thousands of non-breeding growers are selecting females every day and creating a pool of "elites," the quality available seeds suffers when breeders eschew "fems." Just look at the vast majority of "regular breeders" offerings: dozens of elites found by other non-breeding growers hit with the same male of unknown provenance. Breeders don't talk at all about their male selection, except for the ones who would be embarrassed by it if they weren't so clueless, even though the male selection is probably the only thing that distinguishes them from other breeders. It's not like selection is a secret, it's just hard, time consuming work. When finding a great parent is so much work, you work with fewer, likely inferior parents.


Finally, my bro grew seeds from TGA, DJ Short, Mr. Nice, Aficionado, and Bodhi and they all shot nanners. Unknown Prohpet's S1's of a strain notorious for intersex, GG#4, did not. Too bad the plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Man, you seem pretty upset in your responses. Just chill my friend. My intent was not to start a bickering war on this thread. I shared my personal experience. Nothing more. This is not a personal attack on you or ANYONE else who enjoys growing feminzed seeds.

No we did not publish our work. Most people in our neck of the woods wouldn't have dreamed of that in 1998. So take my words with a grain of salt, please. You SHOULD question things you hear on the internet. And unfortunately at the present you won't find a whole lot of peer reviewed studies on this topic, due to the current legal status of the plant we're discussing. Hopefully this will be changing very soon.

My two cents. Let's just agree to disagree on this. I'm sure you're a good guy and a fine grower.
 

Sam Clemens

Member
Just trying to keep things civil, fellas. I see no reason to think otherwise about the guy. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. He is very passionate about his end of an argument, and I can respect that even though I disagree with him.
 

Mr.Head

Well-Known Member
Just trying to keep things civil, fellas. I see no reason to think otherwise about the guy. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. He is very passionate about his end of an argument, and I can respect that even though I disagree with him.
Look at this free thinking radical. Being respectful on the internet? The fuck dude.... you're doing it wrong :):):)

:bigjoint:
 

Observe & Report

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure I'm an asshole and a shit grower, though I'm improving all the time. I don't see it so much as agreeing to disagree as me asking Sam to put up and him choosing the option to shut up. Fem=Herm is still an unsubstantiated myth that needs to die, but I remain open to any sort of evidence.
 

OregonEliteSeeds

Well-Known Member
Toby, what new drops are we to expect this coming week? Really digging all the old school Mexican stuff from Snowhigh btw. Very hard to find these days in pure form. A lot of people don't have the patience (or space) to grow these beauties anymore, but the results are so worth the wait. Any word yet on the OWO drop?
hopefully this week I hook up with Old world Organics.................this week I have Top Dawg, La Plata and Haute Genetics coming in
 

yesum

Well-Known Member
The Old World stuff is something I will pay attention to. They seem to concentrate on indica but maybe some sativa will show.

On the Mexican, I have the Sierra Madre at 4 weeks veg and none of the plants are over 8 inches tall, some are about 6 inches. Does not look like a stretcher. White LED close to the plants will help keep them down.
 

rocknratm

Well-Known Member
got big drops coming today and tomorrow on the menu is a drop from TOP DAWGs new gear and I will be adding breeders La Plata, Haute Genetics, and Second Generation Genetics
I have had nothing but crap from la plata. 2 strains both below average (sour pez and quin n tonic).
Just my anecdotal experience. Id bet their alien strains are decent
I have such limited space i still hold it against them how i wasted space on crap strains.
Please anyone with contrary experience chime in now
 
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