I'm doing an organic PBPro orgainic and a cns17 synthetic side by side right now in dwc... They taste different..PBPro is nice for soil berry and fruit flavors.. but i like the 0% flavor and 0% odor in the cns17 synthetic with the hydroponic.. it gives the herb almost a ultra-natural flavor.. maybe like what god intended it to taste like lol totally preference but i love best of both world's!I'm curious about results in Organic vs Synthetic nutrients. I always eat organic when I can and was thinking maybe herb should be the same way.
I'm really interested in results. I know yield goes down with organics, but by how much?
Thanks!
I've loved hydro/synth, then I loved organic style, couldnt do that in my hydro, so promix was my pearl.I'm curious about results in Organic vs Synthetic nutrients. I always eat organic when I can and was thinking maybe herb should be the same way.
I'm really interested in results. I know yield goes down with organics, but by how much?
Thanks!
@Richard DrysiftAs far as I know - plants eat inorganic matter. Here is a photo from a book: Hydroponics food production by Howard M Resh page 41:
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That said - there are a lot of other "stuff" that could be beneficial. Example we have most vitamins in a pill but as I see it it's not just a problem of eating a single vitamin - a fruit or a vegetable has a lot of "other stuff" that help absorb or interact somehow with that vitamin.
But I believe we mastered plant nutrition (not ratios but what elements are needed for minimal and optimal growth) so I would go (and am going) full inorganic salts in solution route.
We (humans) are far more complex systems to feed than a plant. But maybe I am wrong - who knows.
The bottom line is this plants eat INORGANIC so you need to get their food to INORGANIC state either by bacteria / fungi or by synthetic synthesis - salts (if i wrote this right).
Well of course...that's why I was trying to say plants don't care where they get their NPK & macros; it's all about availability. Nutrients are nutrients; they work the same regardless how they are derived but water only soil is a different animal altogether. The idea is to put what is needed in the soil before it is actually needed and allow the microbes to slowly make it available over time. Nutrients are only needed if the soil becomes dead (inactive) through depletion or if soil is not used at all like in a coco grow; which in my opinion is a better use of synth nutes than in conjunction with soil.@Richard Drysift
Sorry Rich but enthusiast is correct! Organic or Synthetic, the plant is eating the same ions in the end!
Synthetic is "plant ready" nutrition.
Organic has to be broken down to "plant ready" by the microbes living in the soil.
Odd things I've found about this synthetc "plant ready" shit is,,,,,,If you regularly add living bios in the form of a basic bio AACT.......You had better be feeding those nutrients at 50% or less concentrations! You'll cook the shit out of them (the plants) real fast otherwise. I was amazed that living bio's made that big a difference in how they increased the "availability" of these "plant ready" nutrients.....
His "vitamin" example is a fare way to explain the "extras" that living soil brings to the table.
You can not do a TRUE LIVING organic's growing style in hydroponics!
So there is a good way to explain "organic sourced" nutrients that can be utilized in hydro..
I do water "only" soil organics as you know but I also use organic nutrients near the end sometimes, if I see the plant depleting the soil of this or that before being done. I'll use "special" teas for supplements along the grow too....Not to mention some organic supplements I've made to do specific things...
I say that hydro can run better yields then soil....BUT, you can get so damn close I find it preferable to do the soil for smell and taste and, well, it's organic! My N was not made from hydrocarbons! My P was not mined in what is becoming a very limited amount left!
One day there will not be resources too make fertilizers! Us organic guys will thrive and survive - we know how!
This was not a poke at you Rich! "Jus splain'in Ricky."
Is it not true that some of the organic ingredients are bad for your health too?, from dust exposure.I've loved hydro/synth, then I loved organic style, couldnt do that in my hydro, so promix was my pearl.
In both styles I found yield to be totally dependent upon vegetation times only. sure, some strains veg slower than others, but a tree is a tree, a bush is a bush. Allowed to veg healthy long enough and any yield is possible.
My hydro plants -in veg- grow faster, I'd guess a couple weeks ahead. Its no matter after my perpetual org harvesting was in place.
In the flowering room every thing is the same, sorta. Growth rates are comparable, yields are too. But my org plants have leaves that are tougher, smell better too. they support themselves most of the time and their stalk isnt soft ever, stems are sturdy and feel alive.
The smell? hands down the org wins every time, in smell, taste, and appearance. Could be I'm just really good at growing org style and/or really bad at growing hydro style too.
since hydro out and dirt in;
no more wet/dry vac
no more undeveloped terpene profiles
no more hundreds of dollars on nutrients
no more meters
no more supporting plants
no more concentrated farm nutrient exposures
no more RH struggling
Half my electric bill is mine now too-less ac, less, dehuey, no pumps etc)
no more "curing" "flushing"
no more light weight pots to move around
no more reservoirs
no more 3 year lasting stink socks
dirt growing is no where near as much fun despite all that.
if you're using blood meal/bone meal/guano... yes this is true (but they are unnecessary). but many amendments kelp, alfalfa, neem cake, crab shell, oyster shell, herbs, ect ect are safe all day long!Is it not true that some of the organic ingredients are bad for your health too?, from dust exposure.
probably, like chicken and rabbit shit I suppose, but I'm exposed to those daily now for a lifetime, so be it I guess.Is it not true that some of the organic ingredients are bad for your health too?, from dust exposure.
much rather handle my own chicken and rabbit shit than the bone meal, blood meal, and guanos from cattle industry, and over harvested bat droppings with who knows what kind of crazy diseases and prions that are far more possible than any of the ingredients listed aboveprobably, like chicken and rabbit shit I suppose, but I'm exposed to those daily now for a lifetime, so be it I guess.
who knows what is in those bottles, wtf chelate is, what damage is done making the fertilizers? we been growing with poop since the beginning of time, if it kills me.....I'll die with the most flavorful marijuana possible.
But you also have no idea where organic comes from. Ironically the animals could be eating genetically modified produce grown by synthetics. Our sea's are far from clean any more so you also don't know what poolotion is getting into the system of those fertilizers. Even clean farms, the land they are grown on could be effected by all kinds of foul play in the past or present (fracking for example). One could argue you have a much better idea of what is in synthetic feed as it's more pure. Not that I am arguing that but you certainly could.probably, like chicken and rabbit shit I suppose, but I'm exposed to those daily now for a lifetime, so be it I guess.
who knows what is in those bottles, wtf chelate is, what damage is done making the fertilizers? we been growing with poop since the beginning of time, if it kills me.....I'll die with the most flavorful marijuana possible.
Do you have any evidence of prion contamination from "guanos from the cattle industry"?much rather handle my own chicken and rabbit shit than the bone meal, blood meal, and guanos from cattle industry, and over harvested bat droppings with who knows what kind of crazy diseases and prions that are far more possible than any of the ingredients listed above
i should have arranged the sentence differently. it says "bone meal, blood meal and guanos from the cattle industry AND overharvested bat droppings". should have been arranged "bone meal, blood meal from cattle industry, AND guanos from bat droppings."Do you have any evidence of prion contamination from "guanos from the cattle industry"?
I use bone meal and a lot of guano (bat & seabird).i should have arranged the sentence differently. it says "bone meal, blood meal and guanos from the cattle industry AND overharvested bat droppings". should have been arranged "bone meal, blood meal from cattle industry, AND guanos from bat droppings."
MY bad