When Does Life Begin ...

Big P

Well-Known Member
There are more men that DON'T care about their children that do care.

Do you know how many dads can't even name their kids birthday without help from the mom?

Who do you think remembers the time, date weight and length of every child. How many dads can quote those things by rote, 5 years later, 10 years later. Hell I can still remember that it was raining the day my daugher was born. ( nearly 21 years ago) How many dads can recall the weather the day their kids were born?

moffitt you do realize what you are saying is crazy and not true



most men love and support thier children, do you want me to post the proof for you?

 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Women get custody because the majority of the time the men walk right out the door taking their paycheck with them and refuse to support their kids without a court order.

If you leave and leave the kids behind do you think you deserve them?
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
Women get custody because the majority of the time the men walk right out the door taking their paycheck with them and refuse to support their kids without a court order.

If you leave and leave the kids behind do you think you deserve them?
This is going beyond abortion. Lets keep it on track here. No one said if you didn't want to raise the baby you couldn't put it in adoption.
 

Stoney McFried

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Still, I wanted to make you see my point.Women give up a lot when they have a kid.don't anyone tell me that it doesn't change them.My brother's step daughter just now delivered a stillborn baby.The father is nowhere.I know there are good dads out there.But there are many who aren't.A woman undergoes biological changes when she is pregnant,and in most cases, attachment developes for the fetus.The woman pukes.The woman's vagina is torn apart.The woman can get preeclampsya and die.This isn't sexist.It's just fact.
i wasnt talking to you stoney i was addressing moffit
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Can you tell me the weather on your childs day of birth? How about how long they were, how much they weighed? How about their APGAR score?

Can you tell me what exact date your child had the chicken pox?

I"m talking off the top of your head here, not turn around and ask your wife to go find the records for you.



moffitt you do realize what you are saying is crazy and not true



most men love and support thier children, do you want me to post the proof for you?
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
My boyfriend has to be screamed into changing a diaper.Many men don't realize what day to day soul killing tedium exists in housewifery and motherhood.I don't care if anyone thinks I'm bad for saying it or not.Parenthood can suck.A lot.
 

ZenMaster

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Still, I wanted to make you see my point.Women give up a lot when they have a kid.don't anyone tell me that it doesn't change them.My brother's step daughter just now delivered a stillborn baby.The father is nowhere.I know there are good dads out there.But there are many who aren't.A woman undergoes biological changes when she is pregnant,and in most cases, attachment developes for the fetus.The woman pukes.The woman's vagina is torn apart.The woman can get preeclampsya and die.This isn't sexist.It's just fact.
This is true, I'm not going to deny this. The woman's body is affected. I just don't think its worth the life of a child so a girl can keep her figure, or simply not wanting to go through the process. I think that is selfish.
 

Big P

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moffitt things you may remeber as fond sections of memory may be different than other people

maybe you remeber the weather, maybe zen remebers the smile on his wifes face,

maybe you rember the excitment

maybe you remember how many bolts were on the cart they rolled your baby on.

has nothing to do with how much you love them
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Like I already said, if the mother doesn't want the baby do you really think she is going to go out of her way to stay healthy during a pregnancy she doesn't want to bear in the first place?

I'd like to know if you make sure to take care and eat exactly right for 9 months before you have sex each time? No drinking, no drugs, no pot, no cigarettes, no trans fat, no salt.

What you do directly affects the sperm that creates the fetus. Anything inside my body belongs to me and me along. Just like anything inside your body belongs to you and you alone.

If the man was so concerned about his sperm and what was happening to them he keep them locked right up in his nutsack. I think we should pass a law that regulates your nuts.



This is going beyond abortion. Lets keep it on track here. No one said if you didn't want to raise the baby you couldn't put it in adoption.
 

tipsgnob

New Member
four of my daughters friends are pregnant and the four boys responsible for their condition also have children out of wedlock with other girls...and you think they should have any say on whether or not theres an abortion? thats ridiculous???
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
Feel labor pains, my love.Have your vaginal wall tear.Puke everything up, no matter what.Get jaundice,and nearly have a stroke because of preeclampsya.You are never the same after birth.Ever.
This is true, I'm not going to deny this. The woman's body is affected. I just don't think its worth the life of a child so a girl can keep her figure, or simply not wanting to go through the process. I think that is selfish.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
you guys are so self involved in your own little problems you convince yourself that this is the norm and label all me like the ones you had probs with



typical thing women and men do


anyway try to rise above your own personal shit for one second and look out and see the truth



this is not a conversation about if your asshole guy was an asshole or not

but you guys cant seam to separate the discussion
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
Like I already said, if the mother doesn't want the baby do you really think she is going to go out of her way to stay healthy during a pregnancy she doesn't want to bear in the first place?

I'd like to know if you make sure to take care and eat exactly right for 9 months before you have sex each time? No drinking, no drugs, no pot, no cigarettes, no trans fat, no salt.

What you do directly affects the sperm that creates the fetus. Anything inside my body belongs to me and me along. Just like anything inside your body belongs to you and you alone.

If the man was so concerned about his sperm and what was happening to them he keep them locked right up in his nutsack. I think we should pass a law that regulates your nuts.
If she has any kind of responsibility, yes she should. More people need to have responsibility.

You wouldn't have that baby, ever, without a man. So don't think its all yours.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
four of my daughters friends are pregnant and the four boys responsible for their condition also have children out of wedlock with other girls...and you think they should have any say on whether or not theres an abortion? thats ridiculous???


aaaaaaaa no


when did anyone say that?
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
I'm not labeling you.I just said you have no say in what I do with my uterus.
you guys are so self involved in your own little problems you convince yourself that this is the norm and label all me like the ones you had probs with



typical thing women and men do


anyway try to rise above your own personal shit for one second and look out and see the truth



this is not a conversation about if your asshole guy was an asshole or not

but you guys cant seam to separate the discussion
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
four of my daughters friends are pregnant and the four boys responsible for their condition also have children out of wedlock with other girls...and you think they should have any say on whether or not theres an abortion? thats ridiculous???
Better question is why are they having sex, (probably unprotected) with men that exhibit traits of no responsibility by having that kind of baggage? Choose better mates, damn. Or if you want to have some fun with a bastard maker make damn sure theres gonna be no boo-boos.

Now that there was boo-boos, deal with it.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
Like I already said, if the mother doesn't want the baby do you really think she is going to go out of her way to stay healthy during a pregnancy she doesn't want to bear in the first place?

I'd like to know if you make sure to take care and eat exactly right for 9 months before you have sex each time? No drinking, no drugs, no pot, no cigarettes, no trans fat, no salt.

What you do directly affects the sperm that creates the fetus. Anything inside my body belongs to me and me along. Just like anything inside your body belongs to you and you alone.

If the man was so concerned about his sperm and what was happening to them he keep them locked right up in his nutsack. I think we should pass a law that regulates your nuts.

here we go lets try to put the self center woman out to try to the complete picture



there are many things suck about being a women


there are many things that suck about being a man


not to get into it but both have benifits and negatives


it sum it up:

men die a lot more and earlier

woman have to have the babies


lets not take it further than that i dont want to start a whole new argument lol


but atleast we show moffitt both sides of the coin
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I never said my man was an asshole, he's actually a good father. We don't live in a cave either, we see bad parents every day.

I've seen parents that "couldn't afford" a winter coat for their kids but they could surely afford a case of beer every day.

Abortion is a womens issue. Until we can decide on the fate of your testicles, you have no say in what happens in our wombs.

There's a 15 year old girl in my neighborhood with a newborn baby. Baby daddy is already out trying to impregnate other girls and he's only 14.

Neither parent can drive a car or get anything more than a part time job. That baby's quality of life is going to be SHIT. I bet that baby is popping her own baby in 15 years or less.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
No I"m talking about YOU as the oat sower? Everything you do directly affects your semen.

What if a girl got preganant by you and then she found out you had done a bunch of acid recently? Should she have the opportunity to abort the most likey fucked up kid? You were the one that did the acid, why should she be stuck with the screwed up kid.




If she has any kind of responsibility, yes she should. More people need to have responsibility.

You wouldn't have that baby, ever, without a man. So don't think its all yours.
 
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