a mongo frog
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WTF? The op asked a question. You'll get different answers.
Hps vs New L.E.D.s
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Banana444
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Man there nothing worse than growing a whole room of shitty weed. Hps sucks, has low cri. You should be pulling for those 315w CMH or whatever they are, about the same results as a 600w hps. Why? Higher cri, more better quality light in the right spectrum for plant growth. This is not rocket science.How can you really say they are the way to go ??? people are getting decent results with cob' tech its not going to stop there look at the stocks ? Cree has leveled off and is dropping could 2018 bring out a better lighting technology ??
Well if we look at our advancements from 10 years ago YES Cree cobs will be the HPS of the led industry
With all the fairy tales and lies we see and here daily Yes even from growers on here claiming unreal yields specially with cobs soon anyone can really say yes its better efficient.. But it lacks in penetration and with that yield more efficient less yield ???
Kinda sounds like a moot point but is it ??? Lets have a look HPS you need AC units cause of the heat ??? well i have grown now for over 35 years consistently and only start indoor growing in end of oct with fresh air in 6 - 8 k rooms no AC needed actually use the heat for my benefit
Point being is claims you need to cool down your room and ventilation there for operating costs are more ???
Well when we look at normal grow room design ventilation / Fresh air is one of the most important parts of any design or properly built grow rooms and even tents have i vents
i can post millions of pictures of heat stressed Cob grows so again another well orchestrated lie
that LED or cob does not produce heat truth is all power sources produce heat if that wast not the case WTF would a person need a heat sink for ??
And last is how tight has a person gone worrying about 1 - 3 dollar savings a month on power cause that is what it really comes down to pennies
From the moment you took your first breath was the moment sometime in the future you will take your last breath
Same thing applies with everything including lights from the moment its turned on its slow path to death is going to happen sooner or later
So which is better well it comes down to what are you growing in a bread box or a green house or a regular room ..
work with what you got learn try new things which means yes even new lighting
But truth is there is really no better LED Cob or HPS find the one that suits you and that is it
Makes me sick when i here Hid destroyer or cob,
is so much better .. its not it never has been its just another light source an what may work good for your situation here one plant grow 1000 watts over 8 pound what is that for GPW anyone ??? you know anyone with them Einstein skills lol
Yup cob destroyer lol View attachment 3805460
Have a great day
a mongo frog
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What do you mean?
jimihendrix1
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IMHO the Hortilux HPS x Super Bulb, ( 400-1000 Watt ) is a great Blue Enhanced HPS Plant Bulb x High CRI x High PAR. 88,00 lumens.
I myself would NEVER use just a regular HPS bulb with No Blue Enhancement. I would use a Hortilux Blue, before I wuld use a regular HPS x No Blue Light.
You have to have Blue Light. The Hortilux HPS Super Bulb 145,000 lumens, is a great all around bulb. I use them in both Veg/Flower.
600 watt bulb is correct CRI x High Par, and High Lumen output. 88,000 lumens.
Hortilux HSHP160 LU600S/HTL/EN Super HPS 600W Grow Light Bulb (U Lamp E-1
Features
Watts 600 Watt
Bulb Type High Pressure Sodium
Initial Lumens 88,000
Bulb Shape E18
Base Type Mogul (E39)
Warm-Up Time 5 min.
ANSI Code S106
Operating Position Universal
Fixture Requirement Open
Plant Stage Flowering
Color Temp 2,100K
I myself would NEVER use just a regular HPS bulb with No Blue Enhancement. I would use a Hortilux Blue, before I wuld use a regular HPS x No Blue Light.
You have to have Blue Light. The Hortilux HPS Super Bulb 145,000 lumens, is a great all around bulb. I use them in both Veg/Flower.
600 watt bulb is correct CRI x High Par, and High Lumen output. 88,000 lumens.
Hortilux HSHP160 LU600S/HTL/EN Super HPS 600W Grow Light Bulb (U Lamp E-1
Features
- 2,100K rating for bloom / flowering stage
- High power 1000 Watts (HPS) bulb
- 145,000 lumens high output
- Provides 25% more energy in violet, blue and green
- Average life span 20,000 to 24,000 hours
- HPS bulb give out 10% more light than standard bulb - 10% increase of light output = 10 % more plant growth
- Offers 17% more total spectral energy
- Produces more spectral balance for increased plant response and accelerated growth
- Feature the exclusive HORTILUX Spectrum
- Are individually tested before they ship
- (1) Hortilux Super HPS 600W Grow Light Bulb (U Lamp E-1
- Owner’s Manual
- 30 Day Satisfaction Guaranteed
Watts 600 Watt
Bulb Type High Pressure Sodium
Initial Lumens 88,000
Bulb Shape E18
Base Type Mogul (E39)
Warm-Up Time 5 min.
ANSI Code S106
Operating Position Universal
Fixture Requirement Open
Plant Stage Flowering
Color Temp 2,100K
maxamus1
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I have not grown as long as you have nor am I trying to start anything but that first pic looks like it was taken outside boss.
Yodaweed
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That guy doesn't know how to grow if he got less weight from a gavita than a normal single ended 1000w hps.IMHO the Hortilux HPS x Super Bulb, ( 400-1000 Watt ) is a great Blue Enhanced HPS Plant Bulb x High CRI x High PAR. 88,00 lumens.
I myself would NEVER use just a regular HPS bulb with No Blue Enhancement. I would use a Hortilux Blue, before I wuld use a regular HPS x No Blue Light.
You have to have Blue Light. The Hortilux HPS Super Bulb 145,000 lumens, is a great all around bulb. I use them in both Veg/Flower.
600 watt bulb is correct CRI x High Par, and High Lumen output. 88,000 lumens.
Hortilux HSHP160 LU600S/HTL/EN Super HPS 600W Grow Light Bulb (U Lamp E-1
Features
What's in The Box
- 2,100K rating for bloom / flowering stage
- High power 1000 Watts (HPS) bulb
- 145,000 lumens high output
- Provides 25% more energy in violet, blue and green
- Average life span 20,000 to 24,000 hours
- HPS bulb give out 10% more light than standard bulb - 10% increase of light output = 10 % more plant growth
- Offers 17% more total spectral energy
- Produces more spectral balance for increased plant response and accelerated growth
- Feature the exclusive HORTILUX Spectrum
- Are individually tested before they ship
Warranty
- (1) Hortilux Super HPS 600W Grow Light Bulb (U Lamp E-1
- Owner’s Manual
Specifications
- 30 Day Satisfaction Guaranteed
Watts 600 Watt
Bulb Type High Pressure Sodium
Initial Lumens 88,000
Bulb Shape E18
Base Type Mogul (E39)
Warm-Up Time 5 min.
ANSI Code S106
Operating Position Universal
Fixture Requirement Open
Plant Stage Flowering
Color Temp 2,100K
Yodaweed
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I don't think you are right, isn't CRI more for human eyes, I don't think it makes a huge difference in plants as they don't see the same spectrum we do. Pretty sure CRI has to do with the clarity of the light, higher CRI are used for photography and surgical care because they allow HUMAN eyes to see more clearly but don't really have to do with PAR. I think it also has to do with how even the spectrum is but clearly HPS grows great weed and has a very low CRI like 20.
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jimihendrix1
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Yes..
CRI can be Over Rated.
Main thing is to replicate the sun as closely as possible. Including UVA/UVB.
I also like to use Arcadia 14% Desert Reptile/Bearded Dragon UVA/UVB Bulbs
It could also be the guy got Less from the Gavita as they will have more heat if run full out.
The guy also stated the growing conditions were Not Optimal..
But it just proves that the Color Corrected Hortilux Super Bulb is a very good choice.... ESPECIALLY for the $$$$$$$, and will be close to equaling any bulb on the market.
But I also AGREE that in theory the GAVITA should outperform the Hortilux. No Question.
I also saw a comparison of the Gavita 1000 vs 600 watt Extreme 336x Pro LED vs 1000 watt Digilux, and the Gavita was 25% Higher PAR than the Digilux, and 125% MORE than the LED. And the Gavita was only set on 1000 watts. And can go higher.
The measurement was also 24 inches.
The Gavita rated an 18
Digilux 15.5.... 155,000 lumens
LED 8.8
The Gavita on 100% output was so powerful, ( 1150 watts ) it washed out the meter !!!!. So call it a Conservative 20+ anyway.
Also an Honest Test of the Gavita shows it pulls 1240 watts at full power..Im pretty sure the 1150 is Factory claimed. So its even more powerful than factory claims.
The Gavita also has almost Exactly the same Color Spectrum as the Hortilux.
Also the Gavita is recommended to be used with the Plasma Bulb.. Which is HUGELY EXPENSIVE. But im sure is a very nice combination, with tremendous Color similar to the SUN.
CRI can be Over Rated.
Main thing is to replicate the sun as closely as possible. Including UVA/UVB.
I also like to use Arcadia 14% Desert Reptile/Bearded Dragon UVA/UVB Bulbs
It could also be the guy got Less from the Gavita as they will have more heat if run full out.
The guy also stated the growing conditions were Not Optimal..
But it just proves that the Color Corrected Hortilux Super Bulb is a very good choice.... ESPECIALLY for the $$$$$$$, and will be close to equaling any bulb on the market.
But I also AGREE that in theory the GAVITA should outperform the Hortilux. No Question.
I also saw a comparison of the Gavita 1000 vs 600 watt Extreme 336x Pro LED vs 1000 watt Digilux, and the Gavita was 25% Higher PAR than the Digilux, and 125% MORE than the LED. And the Gavita was only set on 1000 watts. And can go higher.
The measurement was also 24 inches.
The Gavita rated an 18
Digilux 15.5.... 155,000 lumens
LED 8.8
The Gavita on 100% output was so powerful, ( 1150 watts ) it washed out the meter !!!!. So call it a Conservative 20+ anyway.
Also an Honest Test of the Gavita shows it pulls 1240 watts at full power..Im pretty sure the 1150 is Factory claimed. So its even more powerful than factory claims.
The Gavita also has almost Exactly the same Color Spectrum as the Hortilux.
Also the Gavita is recommended to be used with the Plasma Bulb.. Which is HUGELY EXPENSIVE. But im sure is a very nice combination, with tremendous Color similar to the SUN.
Yodaweed
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What kind of meter is he using?
BobCajun
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Personally, my gripe with HIDs is that it's a lot of light/heat concentrated in one very small area. To avoid that you would have to use a bunch of low wattage HIDs, and then they get considerably less efficient. It's actually pretty dangerous having something that hot around. You can easily burn yourself if you happen to touch it by accident. With cobs, lower wattage ones are actually more efficient than high wattage ones, or at least the same. You can also touch any part and not get burned, though I wouldn't advise it. They just seem more user friendly and safe to me, plus they don't break as easily.
For me the only practical light sources are LED and CFL. I'm just not going to mess around with extremely hot and fragile things. I used HPS before but I sure don't miss them. Very happy with the cob LED and CFL combo. I use CFLs alone for veg mode btw. I find they work very well. Obviously less efficient than LEDs or HPS but with a small setup like I have it's not really an issue.
For me the only practical light sources are LED and CFL. I'm just not going to mess around with extremely hot and fragile things. I used HPS before but I sure don't miss them. Very happy with the cob LED and CFL combo. I use CFLs alone for veg mode btw. I find they work very well. Obviously less efficient than LEDs or HPS but with a small setup like I have it's not really an issue.
jimihendrix1
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Light Scout Quantum PAR Meter.
Ive been using HID since 1976, and never had a problem, and if you use a good hood that diffuses the light theres no bad hot spots ect.
I like the Magnum XXL Hood. Dimensions: 38-1/2" long x 29-1/2" wide x 9-1/2" tall
Ive been using HID since 1976, and never had a problem, and if you use a good hood that diffuses the light theres no bad hot spots ect.
I like the Magnum XXL Hood. Dimensions: 38-1/2" long x 29-1/2" wide x 9-1/2" tall
Yodaweed
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I don't think it works like that, if you have equal wattage in an enclosed system the heat value will be the same, 1000w of light = 1000w of heat. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed only transformed into different forms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics
majins
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Extreme 336x Pro LED panels are a joke. 5 nearly 6 year old technology, LED market has been changing so fast, Youd buy something today and 6months time youd have something that replaces it easily.
They advertise it as 1000W replacement with 600W where the reviews from actural users on forums show its only a 340W from the wall.
Cree, Citi, vero decent cobs destroy them and half the power and hell of a lot cheaper.
24 inches is quite far away to run a LED.
You may put in 1000W but you get 300W of light and 700W of heat.
Then that light gets transformed again, hopefully into plant growth.
They advertise it as 1000W replacement with 600W where the reviews from actural users on forums show its only a 340W from the wall.
Cree, Citi, vero decent cobs destroy them and half the power and hell of a lot cheaper.
24 inches is quite far away to run a LED.
Except you dont get 1000W of light.
You may put in 1000W but you get 300W of light and 700W of heat.
Then that light gets transformed again, hopefully into plant growth.
jimihendrix1
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Heat is Heat.
600 watt LED is as hot as a 600 HID, and is harder to cool.
600 watt LED is as hot as a 600 HID, and is harder to cool.
Yodaweed
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I don't think that's right, 1000w of light is a 1000w heat engine in an enclosed system, all the energy will be converted to heat.
Banana444
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Thats just plain wrong. The most efficent leds covert more of that 600watts into light and less into heat. Leds are easy to cool, you can simply mount then on a slab of aluminum or pin heatsinks and if you do a little math and get big enough heatsinks, very little in fans are needed.
Yodaweed
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except that isn't true and actually goes against the laws of nature, you might want to read up about physics.
Side note, this is one of the reasons you can easily convert watts to btu's
http://www.convertunits.com/from/Btu+per+hour/to/watt
Source of wattage doesn't matter because all watts are created equally
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Roger A. Shrubber
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good led lights emit pure wavelengths of light without the waste in uv and unused wavelengths of hids, they don't have to muscle out a ton of shit thats of no use to the plant, to get the part that is of use. thats why with good leds, like cree and citi, you get more effect for the wattage put into it.
a 600 watt cobb will produce as much heat as a 600 watt hid, but it will produce a lot purer, more usable light for that heat
a 600 watt cobb will produce as much heat as a 600 watt hid, but it will produce a lot purer, more usable light for that heat