Flushing = ignorance

[Afgan King]

Just to clarify, I definetly respect you as an experienced grower and a contributor here.
All I'm saying is that your bud would probably be just as good if you didn't fade.

However you are probably saving nutes.

And for you it works out great because you know when to do it.

The problem is that this myth that perpetuates and is taken as fact by new growers. We don't know exactly when to harvest and we are bombarded with this flush shit so people are flushing for 2 weeks before they chop. That has to affect yield. And for what? Nothing.

Well ya new growers shouldn't worry about a flush they should worry about getting all the way thru a grow. Telling new people to flush who don't know their plants and environment is stupid. You hurt their yields because like I said they don't know their plants. I see people take strains 14 weeks and some do 7 I run every strain regardless 9 weeks without issue. I know all my plants all 40+ strains pretty well and my system works for all without a flaw. But again like u said experience is key when you want your fade gotta know your plants

 

[Afgan King]

I'm leaning that way. For me aero is simpler. I just spray water out of a pvc pipe.

I'm using hydroguard gh flora 3 part and cal mag and silica. That's it.
Trying not to buy into any bullshit

Tupur and pots and stakes and I pull 2+ a light on average

 

[Kidbruv]

as long as I'm popping open my cure jars to monster nugs that fill my room with a heavy weed scent like I just walked into Starbucks ....I'm good with that

What Starbucks are you going to? Sounds great

 

[Indacouch]

What Starbucks are you going to? Sounds great

Referring to density of the smell.....but that would be a wonderful Starbucks indeed.....everytime I go to a coffee shop I think about my OGK ...lol ....I always have OGK going for the people I grow for ....they like it for there night time pain/sleep

 

[Walterwhiter]

Good thread! Misinformation is a bitch!

 

[BreenGuds]

Agreed. This thread was a good find. I have been growing for a couple years now, have never flushed. Was wondering about this topic, for this harvest, as this was my first photo grow and this plant is huge after 2.5 month veg. Wanted to get the most out of it and was unsure whether I should do this or not. I'm just going to stick to what I have been doing.

 

[Michiganmeds1982]

http://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/article/to-flush-or--not-to-flush/

My favorite part-------

To us, the concept that flushing somehow changes the chemistry in plant tissue that has been laid down for weeks requires a scientific explanation because that concept seems akin to claiming that the car engine is cleaner after washing the car’s hood. Nutrients are locked in the plant, and an external flush cannot undo the complex biology that locked them in.

The levels of nutrients concentrated in plant tissue are up to 1,000 times more concentrated than those nutrients in the root zone. One-hundred ppm nitrogen solutions produce plants whose leaves can contain upwards of 10,000 ppm of nitrogen. Since we have established that none of those 10,000 ppm are going anywhere but within the plant, we are looking for explanation of how that concentration is being reduced by a flush to the extent it can affect flavor. We haven’t found it yet.

I think your right but also see the how flushing can help...

I flush to take nutrients out of the soil so the plant can use up more of what it has stored....

 

[Michiganmeds1982]

So do you guys feed right until harvest

 

[Uberknot]

I got a question......what is the ground making about the time harvest is finished in the outdoors?

Lots of stuff has grown now dieing, ,birds and animals have shat everywhere, rains have come, worms have dug, and the ground starts to do what emptying everything?

At some point there has to be something going on in the dirt.

If anything I notice more worms now in the fall and digging through the surface...whats that do?

Anyhow if you want my opinion flushing equal premature killing....just like boiling the roots and the rest.

The Question is does the plant actually do better when you try to kill it?

Or are you just really speeding things along.....hastily.

 

[a mongo frog]

.just like boiling the roots

Yea but boiling the roots..... But he said boil the roots.... and got get a fade or something....

 

[growman3666]

I got a question......what is the ground making about the time harvest is finished in the outdoors?

Lots of stuff has grown now dieing, ,birds and animals have shat everywhere, rains have come, worms have dug, and the ground starts to do what emptying everything?

At some point there has to be something going on in the dirt.

If anything I notice more worms now in the fall and digging through the surface...whats that do?

Anyhow if you want my opinion flushing equal premature killing....just like boiling the roots and the rest.

The Question is does the plant actually do better when you try to kill it?

Or are you just really speeding things along.....hastily.

What did i just read...

I must be too high lol

 

[Uberknot]

What did i just read...

Exactly...................

 

[bgmike8]

I feed full on hot shit til chop.
Now understand I have one successful harvest.
I don't claim to be a master grower. Except that one thread but I was obviously being facetious. Lol.

All I'm saying is there is no science supporting it. Actually the science says it's not possible.

As far as the fade or whatever you call it. The allowing the plant to use up its stores.
This I don't know about. I don't know that you would lose any yield. Do the plants put on more bud with full feed vs using stored food?? Now if it's true that they put on the same weight then it seems the benefit would be the value of the saved nutrients. I still don't think that it would help with taste. That's still in the cure. I would defer to @Indacouch and others who do this.

Now the difference between @Indacouch and @Afgan King and the average newbie is that those guys know when they will harvest a certain strain.

For me and I'm sure most, we have to watch the plant. Scope it for trichomes. Fight the urge to chop early...etc...
So you have all these people who are already being taxed with learning and keeping their shit alive, and now throw in this bullshit tactic of timing the unnecessary pre-harvest flush ....

I can only imagine the amount of lost yield on this planet every year... if only we could quantify that.

 

[Afgan King]

I feed full on hot shit til chop.
Now understand I have one successful harvest.
I don't claim to be a master grower. Except that one thread but I was obviously being facetious. Lol.

All I'm saying is there is no science supporting it. Actually the science says it's not possible.

As far as the fade or whatever you call it. The allowing the plant to use up its stores.
This I don't know about. I don't know that you would lose any yield. Do the plants put on more bud with full feed vs using stored food?? Now if it's true that they put on the same weight then it seems the benefit would be the value of the saved nutrients. I still don't think that it would help with taste. That's still in the cure. I would defer to @Indacouch and others who do this.

Now the difference between @Indacouch and @Afgan King and the average newbie is that those guys know when they will harvest a certain strain.

For me and I'm sure most, we have to watch the plant. Scope it for trichomes. Fight the urge to chop early...etc...
So you have all these people who are already being taxed with learning and keeping their shit alive, and now throw in this bullshit tactic of timing the unnecessary pre-harvest flush ....

I can only imagine the amount of lost yield on this planet every year... if only we could quantify that.

Ya I have 10k+ plants under my belt this year lol I kinda know my plants in general

 

[Uberknot]

I said same shit last week is just regular amount of ph water nothing crazy then last one is just ice placed on top of the tupur in the pots to mimic first frost and fade black. Flushing is pointless no need to run gallons of water thru your plant and like.you said there's plenty of nutes in the tissues of the plants so they have plenty to eat especially on 2 waterings without food lol that's nothing

Now this at least could actually be reasonable and simulating outdoors which is ok in my book.

 

[qwizoking]

facetious

ooooopoooh

fancy man using big words in theflushing thread

 

[Cx2H]

In my experience, if you don't flush it will:
Smell horrible after a while.
Look really bad.
Start growing bacteria.
Start to turn dark and then red.
Piss everyone off.
Make the dog sick.
Make you think why you didn't .
Just flush the toilet and save yourself some issues later.

 

[researching]

1. There is no scientific data that I am aware of to support either side. It's preference. And no resources were cited to substantiate.

2. The magazine is about business which equals $, which means the ultimate point of the article is yield.

3. These two paragraphs show they have no conclusive evidence, just theory.

"If the data comes back in favor of flushing, we know we have not considered all the variables, and we will set out in search of those"

"There is no question that flushing removes nutrients from the root zone, so the key question is whether flushing the root zone has any influence on the sensible qualities of the plant’s biomass — in particular, smokeability and taste control. In the meantime, we all get to exercise our brains a little."

4. Flushing and not flushing = ignorance if we are stating things fairly. As far as I know there is no published scientific data to support either preference. At the end of the day it's a preference.

I flush as has probably already been ascertained. I do it because it cant hurt from my standpoint, and there are enough nutes left for the plant to feed on until it shows a deficiency. It's usually around time to chop then anyway.

No one yet can convince me otherwise and I always find this and other opinionated arguments funny, because we try so hard to prove we "are right". I don't care. I know what works for me and that's great. What works for you is great too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do it or care to do do it.

Flush or don't flush. It doesn't matter. When people pass judgement because they think their way is the best or right way, makes me chuckle.

 

[BullShark]

Flushing IME makes a better smoke without question.

 

[bgmike8]

1. There is no scientific data that I am aware of to support either side. It's preference. And no resources were cited to substantiate.

2. The magazine is about business which equals $, which means the ultimate point of the article is yield.

3. These two paragraphs show they have no conclusive evidence, just theory.

"If the data comes back in favor of flushing, we know we have not considered all the variables, and we will set out in search of those"

"There is no question that flushing removes nutrients from the root zone, so the key question is whether flushing the root zone has any influence on the sensible qualities of the plant’s biomass — in particular, smokeability and taste control. In the meantime, we all get to exercise our brains a little."

4. Flushing and not flushing = ignorance if we are stating things fairly. As far as I know there is no published scientific data to support either preference. At the end of the day it's a preference.

I flush as has probably already been ascertained. I do it because it cant hurt from my standpoint, and there are enough nutes left for the plant to feed on until it shows a deficiency. It's usually around time to chop then anyway.

No one yet can convince me otherwise and I always find this and other opinionated arguments funny, because we try so hard to prove we "are right". I don't care. I know what works for me and that's great. What works for you is great too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do it or care to do do it.

Flush or don't flush. It doesn't matter. When people pass judgement because they think their way is the best or right way, makes me chuckle.

There is science. Is horticulture. We know nutrients can't be sucked out of the buds.