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since1991 said:
Ec readings in a partly.or mostly organic base is near impossible first off. This was one of the early problems with the original Pure Blend Nutrient back in the nineties during testing in greenhouses (Growers Edge Sept 1997). And yes they are totally different in make up. But the end results are nearly identical if you have a consistent amd controllable growroom no matter what the climate and weather conditions are outside.
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That is what I was referring to with trying to use EC readings with the two nutrients
 
OneHitDone said:
That is what I was referring to with trying to use EC readings with the two nutrients
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In coco coir i stick with tried and true target ec numbers no matter what base brand i have on hand. 1.0 - 2.0 has worked for no matter the strain...depending on stage of development that strain is in. Been sticking to these targets for as long as ive been using coco coir. Long time.
 
since1991 said:
I would say Ionic but its diluted as hell. And i found precipitate in a bottle of Bloom last week. Cns 17 is another one. Dynagro...still rocking fat colas simce the early eighties...theres a few. But nute companys like to play it safe in a two part mostly. Dry powders can be considered a one part. All the way back to ECO.
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Does the precipitate in the ionic dissolve once mixed into solution?
 
It wasnt much...but no..Little rocks of calcium clanging around in the bottom of the jug. A couple plopped out the size of half of a pea. I took it back. They might be slippin' down in Lansing. And they frikin raised there prices....again. Its a love hate relationship with HDI ....for awhile now. And they let Harley Smith go after years of work. Hes over at npk industries now and hes a great guy. Very smart and an ole industry veteran. He knows plant nutrient chemistry like no one else ive met....ever.
 
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since1991 said:
It wasnt much...but no..Little rocks of calcium clanging around in the bottom of the jug. A couple plopped out the size of half of a pea. I took it back. They might be slippin' down in Lansing. And they frikin raised there prices....again. Its a love hate relationship with HDI ....for awhile now. And they let Harley Smith go after years of work. Hes over at npk industries now and hes a great guy. Very smart and an ole industry veteran. He knows plant nutrient chemistry like no one else ive met....ever.
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Didn't you see the special note?
SPECIAL NOTE
"IONIC
is manufactured by a revolutionary
process. It produces a clear translucent liquid
without precipitation or sediment. However
under certain conditions there may be a few
flat white crystals in the bottle. These are the
end products of the complex manufacturing
reactions and are accounted for in that
process.
They have absolutely no significance in terms
of the formulation and can safely be ignored."

ftp://ftp.growthtechnology.com/instructions/IONIC-instructions.pdf
 
I am usually a three part powder guy but developed an interest in the GH Flora Nova line due to the Biostimulant load that it contains.
Been using that lately with great results
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And not there is no solid shit at the bottom of the bottle as some have claimed to experience
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OneHitDone said:
Didn't you see the special note?
SPECIAL NOTE
"IONIC
is manufactured by a revolutionary
process. It produces a clear translucent liquid
without precipitation or sediment. However
under certain conditions there may be a few
flat white crystals in the bottle. These are the
end products of the complex manufacturing
reactions and are accounted for in that
process.
They have absolutely no significance in terms
of the formulation and can safely be ignored."

ftp://ftp.growthtechnology.com/instructions/IONIC-instructions.pdf
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Yeah. ...thats what they say. But these were more than little flakes of precipitate. And in my mind thats just less calcium my plants are getting because its boind up in precipitate and not available. So i took it back. Honestly....thats the first jug in decades of using Ionic grow and bloom. Its a solid brand. I know it very well. 4 tspns per gallon of water is alot but it puts me in the sweet spot for coco coir crops. About 1.4 EC. I will continue to use that or lately ive been switching up one bloom room with Canna Coco. A & B. I like that brand too. Very similar...near identical results. And dilution is similar at 2 tspns of each parts A & B. EC target number is about 1.4 also. Give or take a point or two.
 
since1991 said:
Yeah. ...thats what they say. But these were more than little flakes of precipitate. And in my mind thats just less calcium my plants are getting because its boind up in precipitate and not available. So i took it back. Honestly....thats the first jug in decades of using Ionic grow and bloom. Its a solid brand. I know it very well. 4 tspns per gallon of water is alot but it puts me in the sweet spot for coco coir crops. About 1.4 EC. I will continue to use that or lately ive been switching up one bloom room with Canna Coco. A & B. I like that brand too. Very similar...near identical results. And dilution is similar at 2 tspns of each parts A & B. EC target number is about 1.4 also. Give or take a point or two.
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So 4tsp per gallon of ionic only puts you at an EC of 1.4? What is the EC of your base water?

My tap is .2 EC. 1tsp per gallon Flora Nova will put you at 1.5EC (1.3 EC of Nutrients). 6ml per gallon will put you at 2.0EC.
Super concentrated stuff! That is the only reason I see it as a possible economical option
 
OneHitDone said:
So 4tsp per gallon of ionic only puts you at an EC of 1.4? What is the EC of your base water?

My tap is .2 EC. 1tsp per gallon Flora Nova will put you at 1.5EC (1.3 EC of Nutrients). 6ml per gallon will put you at 2.0EC.
Super concentrated stuff! That is the only reason I see it as a possible economical option
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How much is a gallon of FloraNova? See....it all equals out in the end.
 
Besides Advanced and the various brand additives....most base nutrient brands (the major brand popular ones) are roughly similar in price once factoring in dilution rates (how much you use).
 
since1991 said:
How much is a gallon of FloraNova? See....it all equals out in the end.
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You can get a gallon of Nova for about $60 to your door online.
Here is where things get very different..Flora Nova contains Amino Acids and I believe Fulvic and some other bio's as well. I am trying to pin GH down as to what exactly is in there. The tech promptly offered up "Protein Hydrolysate" and was very assuring that you need NO additional products when using Flora Nova. Only thing they even slightly suggest as a supplement is Koolbloom
 
Lol, nothing fancy. Just some wrinkley discharge tubing clamped to the home brewed fittings.
I'll get you a shot tonight when lights are on :P
 
Ok @pinner420 don't laugh at my limp dick discharge tubing. It looks pinched off but is flowing just fine. I will source a hose that holds it's shape better later when I have nothing better to do. Right now just have to grow some herb
Notice the 1/2 vinyl tubing now coming off the manifold that I can also just unplug
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The girls in flower are now back on the program as verified by the amount of nutrient they are drinking and really pistiling out.
Should Vert be bud porn time in no time! :hump:
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ttystikk said:
Lol @Limp dick hose.

When I got a kink like that, crap like hydroton rocks would catch in it and eventually lead to a clog.
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It's 2" hose and probably has more than 1" diameter free flowing.

Why do you have that much shit getting loose inside your dwc's? Maybe that's part of your reliability troubles :P
 
OneHitDone said:
It's 2" hose and probably has more than 1" diameter free flowing.

Why do you have that much shit getting loose inside your dwc's? Maybe that's part of your reliability troubles :P
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Cuz reality and netpots.

So I'm going with a more consistent approach.
 
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