Kind soil?

Dr.Pecker

Dr.Pecker

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I'm moving the topic to a new thread at the moderators request.
st0wandgrow said:
How can you point a finger at dispensaries fucking people over when you sell your shitty soil for $40 per cubic foot?? lol

Pot meet kettle
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phil k said:
I'm sorry how much does our soil cost to make? your talking as if you've not only used the product but as if you make it and know what goes into it and what we pay for our materials. our packing alone is 1.43$ a package and actually when i have to buy my bags from a different supplier which happens sometimes our packing cost is 2$ a package. the profit from that believe it or not we do pay taxes on, labor with and overhead. you acting like I'm making soil for .50$ and selling it for 18$ killing people. 18$ feeds a five gallon plant from veg to harvest your not buying a cubic foot to fill grow containers completely up. fuck you can grow a 1 gallon from veg to harvest with 3.50$ worth of our soil and your telling me somehow were a rip off? place 1lb of any super soil in a 1 gallon container veg it for 1-1.5 months and take it to full flower with nothing else i can promise you our system will our grow and produce any super soil or water only system out there. theres a reason we cost more and its not because were greedy. I'm not here to argue about this this is getting silly now and were being attacked for making a blanket statement about dispensaries and how as a whole they aren't favoring growers or patients. yet here i am defending our business from people that have never once used our product personally and know nothing about it other than assumptions.
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st0wandgrow said:
There's no magic ingredients for an organic soil. I've asked you before, and you've refused to say what's in your soil because you know that you'll get laughed out of the room. I know what it costs to build a good organic soil, and you sir are a snake oil salesman that is ripping people off.
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Dr.Pecker said:
Good point. He made a comment a while back about my plants not being so good. When I asked why he just left the thread without giving a reason. I am crious to see how as a medical patient I can improve.

Why don't you answer the question, whats in your soil? I cannot allow myself nor my patients to consume any product without the ingredients listed. Roots organic, foxfarms, promix all give a ingredient list. I know whats in my soil and I know what the cows were fed, therefor I know its safe.
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Resinhound said:
He will tell you it has everything the plant needs to harvest...and all he ever shows is good looking plants in veg.When asked to show a full cycle plant,some new poster shows up with 1post and pics of some aweful looking plants and swears its the greatest thing ever...
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Dr.Pecker said:
I might be missing the bus here but I don't see what he sees. Here is phil k's buds. https://www.rollitup.org/t/wheres-the-real-growers-bring-your-a-game-to-this-post.869354/
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abe supercro said:
I've thought about the 'kind soil' business before. The worst thing about making your own organic soil is gathering all the amendments from various sources,,,,,, mixing all that dusty funk and then the waiting several months for it to breakdown properly.

If someone wants to pay phil kind to do that for them, then I think that's ok. I don't think it would hurt his business to be transparent and include his recipe and techniques for delivering the best soil product possible. That would instill confidence in a potential customer.

I think at one time he had listed an exact analysis of his cooked soil. There's no magic ingredients, he should just be clear that he is being compensated to gather, mix and store the product until it's ready; There is value in that. Being secretive, or attempting to keep his blend proprietary, I find no value in that. What do ya say Phil? Tell us how your company works. What is your facility like?
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Stonironi

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I have a friend down here by me that swears by this KIND soil . He grows some very dank Meds. I am using some of phils soil right now and so far it has worked . I have had to add calmag (go calmag +)to my ro water to keep them healthy but they are chugging along good since I started that. I am very new to organics but I will post pics from start to finish when I get to that point if you are interested in how the soil works . I met Phil at the cup 2 years ago and finally decided to try organic a couple months ago . He has tried to answer every stupid question I have thrown at him , thanks Phil !
 
Stonironi

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These were taken today. Transplanted 2 days ago. The roots had overtaken the cups I had them in and were drying out in a day. The last pic. Is the reason why I started adding the calmag . You can see the new growth has stopped clawing so hopefully I got it figured out for a while. Ph 6.4-6.5 every water.
 

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Stonironi

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I added calmag to my water so I'm not posting anymore pics of my kind soil grow as I guess I ruined it !! I guess it is water only ,add nothing or don't post about it ??? I messed up ,Sorry. I was using ro water and adding calmag because I didn't trust my well water as it is a ph of 7.8 and almost 300 ppm of something ?? But from what I'm told that is what I should use instead of ro water ?? So I'm gonna give the well water a shot ????
 
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abe supercro

abe supercro

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Trying to keep it a propriety formula is just bad for business. Everything else is labeled. Demonstrates guy thinks it's a zero-sum business and once everyone discovers the ingredients are basics, he thinks that will hurt his business. He prolly leaves important expenses out too! Labeling should only help his business model, because he will only ever be able to cater to those who don't want to take time to gather and mix recipe.

What about all the people he's missing out on because it's not labelled properly? It's special cos it's a secret? No, doesn't work like that. He's doing this on a small scale and charges high markups. No thanks. Doubt he lets it compost for 30 days even.
 
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Stonironi said:
These were taken today. Transplanted 2 days ago. The roots had overtaken the cups I had them in and were drying out in a day. The last pic. Is the reason why I started adding the calmag . You can see the new growth has stopped clawing so hopefully I got it figured out for a while. Ph 6.4-6.5 every water.
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Plants look good!
 
Dr.Pecker

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Its good to know it needs calcium and magnesium, it might help some folks out if they run into trouble.
 
Stonironi

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Dr.Pecker said:
Its good to know it needs calcium and magnesium, it might help some folks out if they run into trouble.
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This is only if using ro water! I have not tried running it the way you are supposed to. Tap water or well water only . No RO water or the soil will not work ????? That is what I was told . I'm just scared to use straight well water .
 
kaka420

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Sounds fishy, only someone with something to hide would not label the ingredients. The maker of said soil should check with the state to see if that is even legal.
 
Stonironi

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Tyleb173rd said:
I think the ingredients should be clearly label but not the recipe. That's my two cents.....
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Agreed ! I don't know anyone that would give away there trade secrets ? How would you make money ? If I could make Pepsi at home then why buy it ?? Same difference really .
 
Dr.Pecker

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We don't need the recipe we just want to know whats in it. Its not going to tell us how to make it. pepsi does label the ingredients Mountain dew pitch black= carbonated water,high fructose corn syrup, citric acid, natural flavor, sodium benzoate(preserves freshness), caffeine, gum arabic, sodium citrate, red 40, calcium disodium edta(to protect flavor), sucrose acetate, isobutyrate, blue 1, caffene content 54mg/12 fl oz With this information I still have no idea how to make mountain dew.
 
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Stonironi

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If it works well and all you have to do is add water with absolutely no nutes and get great clean Meds ,then I'm all for it . Yes the ingredients should be on the bag but I'm not gonna make it so I don't care. It's super soil and can be made a bunch of different ways but most of them don't work with water only . Most of them need teas and yada . This is water only?? I'm not for or against anything but people growing clean Meds . Not flushed Meds, clean Meds. I am local so I don't pay shipping so the cost of soil to do 10 plants start to finish cost me 150 bucks . Done . That is 15 bucks a plant. Cheap in comparison to nute lines, well not all of them but a lot of them. And my results with house and garden nutes in coco were huge plants that never taste good. And always had a weird smell to them ?? 3 days flush or 14 days water only or 7 days of molasses and 7 days straight water. All very blah taste ? That is why I changed ? But that is just my situation. Not everyone's:)
 
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