High power COB -vs- hps vertical shoot out

[chuck estevez]

Come on.. you know they aren't growing fluff... I've already been flowering with these for like 2 years now, and my results are basically the same as I used to get with HPS.

got some dried flower pics?, cause i have asked hundreds of times and all I get are pics of scissors, wet bud, growing bud. never a bud dried and cured that looks like top shelf, I just need to see 1 pic of that.

 

[Sativied]

@churchhaze: Didn't you mean "blasphemy!"

That's the funniest thing about this led forum, post in horticulture by pros and experts well known widely accepted facts about led and you get all excited and revert to white trash mode.

You've shown too many times you rennounced the lack of reason and are not capable of distinguishing what is true from what you wish to be true. Including the effect different wavelenghts have on temp of the receiver (instead of the source, fool).

You got stuck in strawman attack mode since the Light??? thread where I explained to you that efficiency at the source, wall plug efficiency, lum eff, cannot be directly translated to gpw. Which you showed so nicely with your first grow lol... You melted down so hard in my journal when it turned out the efficiency nonsense was just that, mr. builds highly efficient led and stills pulls 1gpw. After you used a dead cheetah as your avatar to full express your butthurt :claps: I'm sure your understand I cannot still take your butthurt-fueled nonsense serious, regardless of how much you beg for my attention.

@a mongo frog: that's what people do who cannot defend their claims with valid arguments and don't really know what they are talking about, they get angry and disrespectful. And then get suprised when they are treated as such. It's comical but after 50 reruns it gets boring...

 

[REALSTYLES]

of fluff, so what. AGAIN. 10 ounces of fluff or 6 ounces of dank top shelf with hps? No brainer for a smart guy!!

You don't even know what good buds look like

 

[ttystikk]

Come on.. you know they aren't growing fluff... I've already been flowering with these for like 2 years now, and my results are basically the same as I used to get with HPS (in terms of quality).

If your results under COB LED aren't any better than under HPS, I'd have to say you're doing something wrong somewhere.

 

[REALSTYLES]

@churchhaze: Didn't you mean "blasphemy!"

That's the funniest thing about this led forum, post in horticulture by pros and experts well known widely accepted facts about led and you get all excited and revert to white trash mode.

You've shown too many times you rennounced the lack of reason and are not capable of distinguishing what is true from what you wish to be true. Including the effect different wavelenghts have on temp of the receiver (instead of the source, fool).

You got stuck in strawman attack mode since the Light??? thread where I explained to you that efficiency at the source, wall plug efficiency, lum eff, cannot be directly translated to gpw. Which you showed so nicely with your first grow lol... You melted down so hard in my journal when it turned out the efficiency nonsense was just that, mr. builds highly efficient led and stills pulls 1gpw. After you used a dead cheetah as your avatar to full express your butthurt :claps: I'm sure your understand I cannot still take your butthurt-fueled nonsense serious, regardless of how much you beg for my attention.

@a mongo frog: that's what people do who cannot defend their claims with valid arguments and don't really know what they are talking about, they get angry and disrespectful. And then get suprised when they are treated as such. It's comical but after 50 reruns it gets boring...

You are talking about yourself again. You must look in the mirror a lot huh

 

[chuck estevez]

You don't even know what good buds look like

LMAO, you certainly haven't shown me any

 

[chuck estevez]

@churchhaze: Didn't you mean "blasphemy!"

That's the funniest thing about this led forum, post in horticulture by pros and experts well known widely accepted facts about led and you get all excited and revert to white trash mode.

You've shown too many times you rennounced the lack of reason and are not capable of distinguishing what is true from what you wish to be true. Including the effect different wavelenghts have on temp of the receiver (instead of the source, fool).

You got stuck in strawman attack mode since the Light??? thread where I explained to you that efficiency at the source, wall plug efficiency, lum eff, cannot be directly translated to gpw. Which you showed so nicely with your first grow lol... You melted down so hard in my journal when it turned out the efficiency nonsense was just that, mr. builds highly efficient led and stills pulls 1gpw. After you used a dead cheetah as your avatar to full express your butthurt :claps: I'm sure your understand I cannot still take your butthurt-fueled nonsense serious, regardless of how much you beg for my attention.

@a mongo frog: that's what people do who cannot defend their claims with valid arguments and don't really know what they are talking about, they get angry and disrespectful. And then get suprised when they are treated as such. It's comical but after 50 reruns it gets boring...

you mean how @REALSTYLES gets butthurt when he can't win,so he starts with personal attacks, YEP, same ol rerun

 

[Rrog]

get off my jock man

Done

 

[Sativied]

You are talking about yourself again. You must look in the mirror a lot huh

You forgot to add quote tags and my name... projection your projecting on me... No self respecting adult is that childish. Keep it up and you will get stuck in limbo like churchhaze.

Compared to you I probably do look in the mirror "a lot". Can't imagine you ever doing that. How can one face himself after so much delusional nonsense and no money left for a barber

*acts like little bitch*

*treats little bitch how he acts*

See how that works...

 

[REALSTYLES]

you mean how @REALSTYLES gets butthurt when he can't win,so he starts with personal attacks, YEP, same ol rerun

What do you mean when I lose lol I'm winning because I use Cree CXB Gavita destroyers and I'm about to test the new CXA/2 5700K just haven't made up my mind on if I go passive cooling and getting the Meanwell HLG -240H-C and running them at 64% efficient which will cost more to make but I can afford it

 

[Rrog]

You are talking about yourself again. You must look in the mirror a lot huh

Save yourself the annoyance and use the Ignore button. You have better things to do than lower yourself to discussing anything with a meathead

 

[testiclees]

of fluff, so what. AGAIN. 10 ounces of fluff or 6 ounces of dank top shelf with hps? No brainer for a smart guy!!

Cmon chuckster we've been over this. Outright lying cancels your legitimacy. Led produces A+ bud. Youre a plain ass clown liar to pretend otherwise. And you know it.

Keep it real bro.

 

[Rrog]

See Post #291

 

[Sativied]

Just for giggles...

"That means you can control light and temperature more separately from each ... LED toplighting produces significantly less heat, especially less radiation heat,"
-Philips

"This combination makes it easier to control the growing conditions. Because LEDs do not generate any radiation heat, it is possible to control the light and temperature separately."
From Control Temperature and Lighting Separately (lol...)
http://www.lighting.philips.com/b-dam/b2b-li/en_AA/Experience/cases/horticulture/LeoVanHarg/PHIL_151012_CaseStudy_Leo_vd_Harg_UK_A03.pdf

"LED toplighting produces significantly less radiation heat than conventional HPS lamps, so growers can adjust light and temperature more independently. This allows the grower to grow better crops, faster, year-round and control the greenhouse climate more precisely."
-Philips

"Because LEDs hardly generate radiation heat, it is possible to control the temperature and lighting separately."
-philips

"Such operations provide a grower the ability to more precisely controlfor .... for desired plant responses, LEDs also cast off heat separately from light-emitting"
- smartgrowtechnologies.com

"Light-emitting diode (LED) lighting is growing in popularity ... to not just grow plants, but rather, control the way they grow? ... intensity, and the ability to separate lighting from heating."
- greenhousemagazine

And every other reliable source... As it is a key aspect and foundational knowledge of led. Anyone who claims differently is just blatantly bullshitting. When will you clowns learn that you bullshitting doesn't automatically mean everyone else does that and contrary to you I can back up all my claims (not the strawmen you make of it...).

 

[churchhaze]

You got stuck in strawman attack mode since the Light??? thread where I explained to you that efficiency at the source, wall plug efficiency, lum eff, cannot be directly translated to gpw. Which you showed so nicely with your first grow lol... You melted down so hard in my journal when it turned out the efficiency nonsense was just that, mr. builds highly efficient led and stills pulls 1gpw. After you used a dead cheetah as your avatar to full express your butthurt :claps: I'm sure your understand I cannot still take your butthurt-fueled nonsense serious, regardless of how much you beg for my attention.

Still pulls 1gpw? (as if 1gpw is suddenly a bad thing) That's what I mean about EZ mode! I haven't pulled below 1.1gpw with cobs so far even with my sickliest, most ignored plants where I was too busy to change nutrients. The highest I've measured was 1.6gpw dry with my cxb setup (~310g in a 2'x4' with a 193W light).

But like you've accurately pointed out, I also grow with much lower PPFD than most people which by itself raises gpw.

lol... first grow. Those pictures I posted in your journal were from back when I grew with HPS. Too bad they were removed.

 

[testiclees]

@churchhaze: Didn't you mean "blasphemy!"

That's the funniest thing about this led forum, post in horticulture by pros and experts well known widely accepted facts about led and you get all excited and revert to white trash mode.

You've shown too many times you rennounced the lack of reason and are not capable of distinguishing what is true from what you wish to be true. Including the effect different wavelenghts have on temp of the receiver (instead of the source, fool).

You got stuck in strawman attack mode since the Light??? thread where I explained to you that efficiency at the source, wall plug efficiency, lum eff, cannot be directly translated to gpw. Which you showed so nicely with your first grow lol... You melted down so hard in my journal when it turned out the efficiency nonsense was just that, mr. builds highly efficient led and stills pulls 1gpw. After you used a dead cheetah as your avatar to full express your butthurt :claps: I'm sure your understand I cannot still take your butthurt-fueled nonsense serious, regardless of how much you beg for my attention.

@a mongo frog: that's what people do who cannot defend their claims with valid arguments and don't really know what they are talking about, they get angry and disrespectful. And then get suprised when they are treated as such. It's comical but after 50 reruns it gets boring...

Dude the strawman defense is as flaccid as your heater is better than light engine claim.
your logic is as comical as the bloated ego you strive to protect.

Your commitment to defending an aging technology with preposterous claims reveals the ridiculous fear you have of suffering a blow to your bloated self image.

 

[chuck estevez]

and after all the personal attacks, NOT 1 PIC OF A FINISHED BUD< THEY AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE. LMFAO

 

[churchhaze]

and after all the personal attacks, NOT 1 PIC OF A FINISHED BUD< THEY AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE. LMFAO

I'm not disagreeing with you here, but to be fair you don't many pictures either. You basically asked me to take a picture of a bunch of sandwich bags stuffed full of weed and post it on the internet.

 

[chuck estevez]

wonder why THE HORTICULTURE LIGHTING BIG GUYS aren't dumping D.E and going to LED/COB
wonder why they are knocking off D.E tech left and right,HMMMM
wonder why EVERY guy who jumps on the LED bandwagon turns into a douche bag? again, hmmmm?

 

[chuck estevez]

I'm not disagreeing with you here, but to be fair you don't really post much in terms of pictures either.

I posted a 12 gram nugg, they tried to say it was wet or had no resin, all kinds of shit. I post, they cry and get thread closed. same ol story