JDGreen
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Very good point. I guess i often assume ladies first....us Midwest Gentlemen lol
bodhi seeds
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JDGreen
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I dont read them of course, but ud think the way cannabis is going they would have more money and b more legitimate.
limonene
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yeah me too, someone is doing a journal on the farm but its still in the early stages. Im subbed up, should be nice with those 2 proven strains.Any info on the gg4 x LBL- I happen to be sitting on a pack of these, and am very curious about them, I almost soaked them this morning, but am short on space right now.
D_Urbmon
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Wish more breeders out there followed Bodhi's ethics and business model. He's a fucking genius if you ask me. He's got good genetics and he's extremely generous to the community. In return the community is generous to him by spreading the love. WIN/WIN for everyone. I think it's safe to say that lots of folks in this thread could potentially become breeders one day and would follow a model similar to Bodhi's. I know I will if I'm ever in the position.
So many people are out there trying to maximize profit per seed when they don't realize if they dropped the price 50% they would sell 4x as many seeds thus doubling their total profit. $150+ is just ridiculous. Especially considering you can yield a couple thousand beans from a single plant in a few gallon pot.
When you order from PeakseedsBC he explains how the seed game works when you make a purchase. Essentially when you buy these $150+ packs you are paying for the companies advertising in high times and travel expenses, paying for their fancy packaging, cup booth entry fees, stickers/tshirts etc. You aren't paying for the beans. Really opened my eyes. My favorite 3 in the game seem to be doing fine without any of that crap. (Bodhi, Dynasty, PSBC).
So many people are out there trying to maximize profit per seed when they don't realize if they dropped the price 50% they would sell 4x as many seeds thus doubling their total profit. $150+ is just ridiculous. Especially considering you can yield a couple thousand beans from a single plant in a few gallon pot.
When you order from PeakseedsBC he explains how the seed game works when you make a purchase. Essentially when you buy these $150+ packs you are paying for the companies advertising in high times and travel expenses, paying for their fancy packaging, cup booth entry fees, stickers/tshirts etc. You aren't paying for the beans. Really opened my eyes. My favorite 3 in the game seem to be doing fine without any of that crap. (Bodhi, Dynasty, PSBC).
D_Urbmon
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DoctorFrost
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That's some true words right there D, I feel the same. I doubt I am ever a true breeder like selling seeds and such, and if I am then that will be years down the road after I learn a lot more. But I can tell you I would charge cheap cheap prices for beans. They are almost free to make. I really don't know how many beans could be made with just 1 1000w HPS but I bet it is 1000s, if not tens of 1000s. I would probably only charge like $30-40 a pack if I was a breeder. Bodhi isn't too far off from that when you consider his freebies and the $60-75 price range. His price averages out to around $50 a pack with the freebies. And I am sure he gets a lot less then that from the vendors - would be interesting to know how much vendors make and what the breeders sell it to them for.
I also agree that most of these seed companies charging $150-200 a pack could lower their prices to just $75 or so and make even more money. Of course you don't make as much per pack when the prices are cheap but you will sell a LOT more of them, and if it is good stuff then each one you sell will have those guys telling others to buy it - much like Bodhis seeds. Now, if seeds were expensive to make then it would make more sense to charge high prices because each seed would have a price on it from the start. But when you consider how small of a price it is per seed then that doesn't even factor in. I bet it would take quite a few seeds just to cost 1cent when making them for yourself. Of course there is a lot of things that come into play each time and I am sure it varies some.
I also agree that most of these seed companies charging $150-200 a pack could lower their prices to just $75 or so and make even more money. Of course you don't make as much per pack when the prices are cheap but you will sell a LOT more of them, and if it is good stuff then each one you sell will have those guys telling others to buy it - much like Bodhis seeds. Now, if seeds were expensive to make then it would make more sense to charge high prices because each seed would have a price on it from the start. But when you consider how small of a price it is per seed then that doesn't even factor in. I bet it would take quite a few seeds just to cost 1cent when making them for yourself. Of course there is a lot of things that come into play each time and I am sure it varies some.
Amos Otis
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I'm often surprised that Breeders Boutique's model doesn't get more shouts over here. Good guys with good genetics, low prices, generous quality freebies, and stellar customer service. The recently chopped Livers freebie is as good a smoke as anything I traded dollars for.
limonene
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Who is PSBC?! I'm going to try out some exotic genetics soon, I'm hearing great things about them.Wish more breeders out there followed Bodhi's ethics and business model. He's a fucking genius if you ask me. He's got good genetics and he's extremely generous to the community. In return the community is generous to him by spreading the love. WIN/WIN for everyone. I think it's safe to say that lots of folks in this thread could potentially become breeders one day and would follow a model similar to Bodhi's. I know I will if I'm ever in the position.
So many people are out there trying to maximize profit per seed when they don't realize if they dropped the price 50% they would sell 4x as many seeds thus doubling their total profit. $150+ is just ridiculous. Especially considering you can yield a couple thousand beans from a single plant in a few gallon pot.
When you order from PeakseedsBC he explains how the seed game works when you make a purchase. Essentially when you buy these $150+ packs you are paying for the companies advertising in high times and travel expenses, paying for their fancy packaging, cup booth entry fees, stickers/tshirts etc. You aren't paying for the beans. Really opened my eyes. My favorite 3 in the game seem to be doing fine without any of that crap. (Bodhi, Dynasty, PSBC).
D_Urbmon
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on seedjunkies Gu~ said he sold 13,000 packs last year. What was his price point like $40-60? Fucking smart. So even if he was getting only $20-30 per from the retailer that's still mega profit. Do the math. over quarter million. I'd be willing to bet almost anything the $150 priced guys are not selling 13,000 packs in even their best year.
Can't help but think Bodhi is putting out more beans the Gu. Who knows but I hope he is. He deserves it if you ask me.
I think a single 1k lamp utilizing a 5x5 area could produce in excess of 10,000 seeds. My last pollen chucking adventure I ended up with about 300 seeds per plant. The average unseeded plants yielded about 10-12 grams(tiny plants.... 1 gallon pots) and I could fit 49 of those plants in a 4x4 area. That's close to 15,000 seeds using tiny undeveloped plants in a 4x4. And that's not including premature/undeveloped seeds. Now imagine full sized plants with branching and all. :O
I think it's the common for breeders to get 50% of the msrp and retailer to get the other 50%.
Can't help but think Bodhi is putting out more beans the Gu. Who knows but I hope he is. He deserves it if you ask me.
I think a single 1k lamp utilizing a 5x5 area could produce in excess of 10,000 seeds. My last pollen chucking adventure I ended up with about 300 seeds per plant. The average unseeded plants yielded about 10-12 grams(tiny plants.... 1 gallon pots) and I could fit 49 of those plants in a 4x4 area. That's close to 15,000 seeds using tiny undeveloped plants in a 4x4. And that's not including premature/undeveloped seeds. Now imagine full sized plants with branching and all. :O
I think it's the common for breeders to get 50% of the msrp and retailer to get the other 50%.
D_Urbmon
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He's a small time Canadian breeder who only sells his seeds breeder direct. Only a few strains and older ones at that but they are good! Unfortunately nothing exotic. Super friendly dude willing to answer any emails and questions I've had some long conversations with him. I have lots of pictures up on breedbay if you look in my photo gallery (dream beaver). PeakseedsBC.com
limonene
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thanks man, ill have a look.
skunkwreck
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30+ years ago HT was the shit...the first to start putting any info on reefer growing out in the free world...we all know that we didn't know as much back then as we do now...especially the science of it all...it was thru that mag that I learned about real reefer , the reason why I moved to California back in the late 80's (yes I moved across country looking for better reefer)...it's a shame that the quality of the mag has gone down so much....I was a subscriber for over 12 years , really enjoyed that mag . It's funny how young ppl don't understand the pioneers of the reefer game...it was folks like that that got us going in direction we're heading now..medical cannabis , recreational cannabis...just a few years back I would have never dreamed of the concept of legal weed . All those old school breeders y'all put down are the ones that started this movement....nobody just snapped there fingers and high grade cannabis and dispensaries magically appeared...it came about thru decades of trial and error..years before there was such a thing as "Jerry 's search engine" which to you young folks is now known as Google . Don't discount history...if you don't know where you came from then how will you know where you're going...just my high ass 2 cents .
futant
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they are the US branch of the old DEA ran Dutch mmj mafia comprised of pinched US nationals selling seed from amsterdam and ratting out their biggest US buyers funded by private DEA siezure funds so they could keep their free lunch siezure machine running in the US. Of course they would misrepresent American breeders lineage and mispell names. Bodhi represents the arch enemy of these losers.
hows that for a nut job conspiracy
futant
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Oh SH!t did I say that out loud?they are the US branch of the old DEA ran Dutch mmj mafia comprised of pinched US nationals selling seed from amsterdam and ratting out their biggest US buyers funded by private DEA siezure funds so they could keep their free lunch siezure machine running in the US. Of course they would misrepresent American breeders lineage and mispell names. Bodhi represents the arch enemy of these losers.
hows that for a nut job conspiracy
Al Yamoni
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit...they are the US branch of the old DEA ran Dutch mmj mafia comprised of pinched US nationals selling seed from amsterdam and ratting out their biggest US buyers funded by private DEA siezure funds so they could keep their free lunch siezure machine running in the US. Of course they would misrepresent American breeders lineage and mispell names. Bodhi represents the arch enemy of these losers.
hows that for a nut job conspiracy
Al Yamoni
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@Amos Otis , you get your Lucky Charms yet?
skunkwreck
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Who's this Monsanto fella ppl keep talking about...what's he screwing up ?