Breeding Swag

[OriginalRoast]

I am very interested in raising my own strain. I feel that it would be more of an accomplishment if I did this from some bag seed vs simply buying some great seeds. Planting three males and three females, pollinating the best with the best. My ideal situation would be in a large planter box inside a greenhouse, but I currently don't have room to do this. I was wondering if there are any growers out there who have their own awsome strains that they raised from swag seed?

 

[needsomebeans]

I am very interested in raising my own strain. I feel that it would be more of an accomplishment if I did this from some bag seed vs simply buying some great seeds. Planting three males and three females, pollinating the best with the best. My ideal situation would be in a large planter box inside a greenhouse, but I currently don't have room to do this. I was wondering if there are any growers out there who have their own awsome strains that they raised from swag seed?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/chuckers-paradise.865617/page-67#post-12457709

Check out that thread friend. I don't think there is a lot of bag seed chucks in there, but there are some guys working wonders with some dank strains.

 

[kmog33]

It's not more of an accomplishment to use bag seed. Just more likely to be unstable/herm or to be shit. Now there are a lot of good bagseed strains(i.e. Most of the clone onlys lol) but that doesn't mean most bagseed will be fire. Part of breeding is knowing what you're crossing and why you're crossing it, in order to better the strain or tailor it more to your own medical needs.

It would be an accomplishment to actually work through a line and actually breed a strain. But what you're talking about doing is pollen chucking, not breeding.


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[OriginalRoast]

Thanks for the link Beans, there was a lot of useful info there. The rational for my question comes from reading stuff about genetics and esp. Gregor Mendel. I'm of the opinion that all strains originally came from swag and they became dank through breeding. I understand that crossing current strains to get some desired effects for like medical purposes is useful, but I wanted to know if anyone is taking bag seed and turning it into something that could compete with the more popular strains? Why must I pay top dollar for some high quality seeds that I'm probably going to skrew up anyways when I can plant some swag, let it adapt to its new environment, and cross it with some other swag to get at least some decent regs?

 

[RM3]

I'm of the opinion that all strains originally came from swag and they became dank through breeding.

Never heard Land Races called swag ,,,,,, but ok

You need to do some research, the DANK comes from the environment with regard to Land Race Strains

And by all means chuck some pollen and see what ya get

 

[OriginalRoast]

Thanks for the correction RM3, I guess I miss-wrote. I was using the term swag in place of landrace. Wouldn't swag be a landrace though since landrace is just a domesticated plant or animal that has adapted to its environment? Either way, my question still stands. Also, I'm not really looking for chucking. I'm looking for a systematic breeding of swag or bag seed or a general landrace to get high quality bud.

 

[RM3]

I'm looking for a systematic breeding of swag or bag seed or a general landrace to get high quality bud.

Can def be done but will take years, my first breeding project took 3 years to make a good strain and that was with known genetics. Breeding is a tad more complicated than chucking

and swag is generally thought to be unknown strain, with no cure, full of stems & seeds

 

[OriginalRoast]

Thats what I'm talking about! Years of hard work, season after season of developing your strain. RM3, do you have any pictures by chance? Are you still growing and developing that strain? Can you provide some more details about what you did to develop it? For example, was it an indoor grow with artificial lights? How many crosses did you do before you got your final product? A story about a guerrilla grow on how you had to hurriedly choose one plant to dig up before the authorities arrived would be nice as well, but not necessary.

 

[RM3]

Thats what I'm talking about! Years of hard work, season after season of developing your strain. RM3, do you have any pictures by chance? Are you still growing and developing that strain? Can you provide some more details about what you did do develop it? For example, was it an indoor grow with artificial lights? How many crosses did you do before you got your final product? A story about a guerrilla grow on how you had to hurriedly choose one plant to dig up before the authorities arrived would be nice as well, but not necessary.

Well I've got bout 70 strains now, been breeding for several years. Check this, lots o pics

https://www.rollitup.org/t/o-me-o-my.904425/

and a link to my journal

Have never done a guerrilla grow so I can't tell that story LOL

 

[jarvild]

And a Story also? It's how all of us old hippies from the late 60s and 70s started breeding. There were no seed banks back then.

 

[OriginalRoast]

Just glanced at your journal RM3, your grow room is something that I will probably copy some time soon. . I am currently running a smaller CFL set up to grow just a few plants, but my space is very limited. You listed a bunch of different strains in your journal, which one(s) has been your favorite so far?

Also, if anyone else has been developing their own strains from landraces, I would like to hear about it.

 

[RM3]

Just glanced at your journal RM3, your grow room is something that I will probably copy some time soon. . I am currently running a smaller CFL set up to grow just a few plants, but my space is very limited. You listed a bunch of different strains in your journal, which one(s) has been your favorite so far?

Also, if anyone else has been developing their own strains from landraces, I would like to hear about it.

My go to strain is my Colorado Thunderfuck

 

[jarvild]

If I may ask, what makes you think that the bag seeds you have are from a landrace.
True landraces are becoming more difficult to find.

My advise to you is do a bunch of reading, and enjoy the ride.

 

[bluntmassa1]

It certainly can be done just look at what Ace has going on they breed with a lot of landrace genetics and seem have very good results I've yet to try them but they do have a pretty good reputation going. But I don't believe they are using just random schwag bag seed they seem to be sourcing their genetics by traveling and finding the best landrace genetics from various countries.

 

[RM3]

It certainly can be done just look at what Ace has going on they breed with a lot of landrace genetics and seem have very good results I've yet to try them but they do have a pretty good reputation going. But I don't believe they are using just random schwag bag seed they seem to be sourcing their genetics by traveling and finding the best landrace genetics from various countries.

Aces Zamaldelica and Golden Tiger are awesome strains

 

[OriginalRoast]

If I may ask, what makes you think that the bag seeds you have are from a landrace.

It's not that I think that all bag seeds are landraces, some swag may have been imported. If I'm not mistaken, a landrace is a domesticated plant that has adapted to its environment. A large portion of cannabis these days is grown indoors, so the environment that these plants have adapted to can be recreated almost anywhere, which creates a modern landrace. An original landrace from India or somewhere would definitely be difficult to find, but modern landraces are not.

 

[RM3]

It's not that I think that all bag seeds are landraces, some swag may have been imported. If I'm not mistaken, a landrace is a domesticated plant that has adapted to its environment. A large portion of cannabis these days is grown indoors, so the environment that these plants have adapted to can be recreated almost anywhere, which creates a modern landrace. An original landrace from India or somewhere would definitely be difficult to find, but modern landraces are not.

A single definition of landrace can sometimes be hard to come by, but it generally refers to a strain that was never bred systematically. Instead, after years of isolation and inbreeding, the plants begin to exhibit the same characteristics.

Globalization and the ability of Cannabis to adapt to its environment has created the perfect storm for hybrid strains to develop. Often, strains are intentionally cross-bred in order to spur a completely new strain. This process allows breeders to select and focus on breeding whatever characteristics they wish to keep around. As a matter of fact, selective breeding is what has led to the rebirth of CBD-rich strains.

In theory, there’s no problem with this selective breeding, and it can be very beneficial in most circumstances. However, real samples of landrace strains are becoming more and more difficult to find. When you take Malawi Gold out of Malawi and try to grow it in northern California, it will lose some of its original characteristics. Without complete isolation in their home in Malawi the plants are forced to adapt to the introduction of new growing conditions. Naturally, the plant will grow differently and take on new characteristics.

 

[OriginalRoast]

I think your definition of landrace works well RM3. I have a question though, by isolation do you mean something along the lines of a wild naturally growing plant? Or do you mean a plant that has not been crossed with any other strain? A greenhouse type of setup can definitely provide isolation and an environment for plants to thrive in.

Also, I'm interested in this Ace character that was mentioned above. Does anyone have a link to some of his stuff?

 

[shorelineOG]

I think your definition of landrace works well RM3. I have a question though, by isolation do you mean something along the lines of a wild naturally growing plant? Or do you mean a plant that has not been crossed with any other strain? A greenhouse type of setup can definitely provide isolation and an environment for plants to thrive in.

Also, I'm interested in this Ace character that was mentioned above. Does anyone have a link to some of his stuff?

I have grown almost every strain from ace and cannabiogen. I think they are over hyped and thought my mexican bag seed had more vigor. Gage green's colombian black is far better than mangobiche or Punto roja. I find the best results come from chucking pollen from a modern strain to a landrace because that keeps the essence of your landrace but adds proven potency from a Chem, OG or such. Landrace on their own can be on the weak side for potency but have unique terpenes and overall hardy genetics.

 

[ky man]

My go to strain is my Colorado Thunderfuck

THAT shit looks good to even eat for breakfast and as they say its great just wish I already had it..ky