How will you die?

How will you leave earth?

  • Fuck Cancer

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Shot by a cop

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Liver failure

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Car accident

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Peacefully in my sleep at a old age..

    Votes: 11 36.7%
  • STD's?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Work related

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Pinworm

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Slip in the bathtub from fecal stomping..

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Heart attack

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • Total voters
    30

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
I call BULLSHIT. I will let you stop 3 times on a 25 mile ride for a cigarette... if you're anywhere in sight lol

I'm going to be 50 this year and I can ride 25 miles. It sure isn't from cigarettes, beer and chicken fried steak!

Sadly, some excellent studies have shown that while cannabis does not itself cause cancer, it also does not protect one from it. If you smoke cigarettes, they will make you sick long before you die.

Just in case anyone might get confused:
1. Cannabis does NOT cause cancer, even when smoked.
2. Cannabis has no protective effects if one smokes tobacco.
3. Tobacco is bad!

END/rant

Number 1 & 3 I agree with, but recent, credible studies seem to go against your assertion for Number 2...



Marijuana May Fight Lung Tumors - http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20070417/marijuana-may-fight-lung-tumors

Media Ignored Expert's Shocking Findings That Marijuana Helps Prevent Lung Cancer: Now It's Med-School Material

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/media-ignored-experts-shocking-findings-marijuana-helps-prevent-lung-cancer-now-its-med-school

You'd think it would have been very big news in the spring of 2005 when Donald Tashkin, a professor of pulmonology at UCLA's David Geffin School of Medicine, revealed at a conference that components of marijuana smoke, although they damage cells in respiratory tissue, somehow prevent them from becoming malignant. But headlines announcing "Pot Doesn't Cause Cancer" did not ensue.

Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.


Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers -- even if they smoked tobacco as well -- experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers.


Marijuana Compound May Fight Lung Cancer
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4506595

TUESDAY, April 17 (HealthDay News) -- While smoking marijuana is never good for the lungs, the active ingredient in pot may help fight lung cancer, new research shows.

Harvard University researchers have found that, in both laboratory and mouse studies, delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) cuts tumor growth in half in common lung cancer while impeding the cancer's ability to spread.

The compound "seems to have a suppressive effect on certain lines of cancer cells," explained Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

According to the researchers, THC fights lung cancer by curbing epidermal growth factor (EGF), a molecule that promotes the growth and spread of particularly aggressive non-small cell lung cancers. "It seems to go to (EGF) receptor sites on cells and inhibit growth," said Horovitz, who was not involved in the study.

THC is the main active ingredient of Cannabis sativa --marijuana. It has been shown to inhibit tumor growth in cancer, but specific information on its action against lung cancer has so far been limited.

Next, the researchers injected standard doses of THC into mice implanted with human lung cancer cells. After three weeks of treatment, tumors shrank by about 50 percent in animals treated with THC, compared to those in an untreated control group, the researchers reported.

The findings may shed light on a question that has been puzzling Horovitz: Why hasn't there been a spike in lung cancer in the generation that smoked a lot of marijuana in the 1960s.

"I find it fascinating, wondering if the reasons we're not seeing this spike is that THC inhibits lung cancer cells," he said. "It would be very ironic, although you certainly wouldn't tell somebody who smoked cigarettes to add marijuana."

A second set of findings presented at AACR suggested that a viral-based gene therapy could target both primary and distant tumors, while ignoring healthy cells.

When injected into 15 mice with prostate cancer, this "smart bomb" therapy eliminated all signs of cancer -- effectively curing the rodents. Researchers at Columbia University, in New York City, said the therapy also worked in animals with breast cancer and melanomas.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Number 1 & 3 I agree with, but recent, credible studies seem to go against your assertion for Number 2...



Marijuana May Fight Lung Tumors - http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20070417/marijuana-may-fight-lung-tumors

Media Ignored Expert's Shocking Findings That Marijuana Helps Prevent Lung Cancer: Now It's Med-School Material

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/media-ignored-experts-shocking-findings-marijuana-helps-prevent-lung-cancer-now-its-med-school

You'd think it would have been very big news in the spring of 2005 when Donald Tashkin, a professor of pulmonology at UCLA's David Geffin School of Medicine, revealed at a conference that components of marijuana smoke, although they damage cells in respiratory tissue, somehow prevent them from becoming malignant. But headlines announcing "Pot Doesn't Cause Cancer" did not ensue.

Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.


Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers -- even if they smoked tobacco as well -- experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers.


Marijuana Compound May Fight Lung Cancer
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4506595

TUESDAY, April 17 (HealthDay News) -- While smoking marijuana is never good for the lungs, the active ingredient in pot may help fight lung cancer, new research shows.

Harvard University researchers have found that, in both laboratory and mouse studies, delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) cuts tumor growth in half in common lung cancer while impeding the cancer's ability to spread.

The compound "seems to have a suppressive effect on certain lines of cancer cells," explained Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

According to the researchers, THC fights lung cancer by curbing epidermal growth factor (EGF), a molecule that promotes the growth and spread of particularly aggressive non-small cell lung cancers. "It seems to go to (EGF) receptor sites on cells and inhibit growth," said Horovitz, who was not involved in the study.

THC is the main active ingredient of Cannabis sativa --marijuana. It has been shown to inhibit tumor growth in cancer, but specific information on its action against lung cancer has so far been limited.

Next, the researchers injected standard doses of THC into mice implanted with human lung cancer cells. After three weeks of treatment, tumors shrank by about 50 percent in animals treated with THC, compared to those in an untreated control group, the researchers reported.

The findings may shed light on a question that has been puzzling Horovitz: Why hasn't there been a spike in lung cancer in the generation that smoked a lot of marijuana in the 1960s.

"I find it fascinating, wondering if the reasons we're not seeing this spike is that THC inhibits lung cancer cells," he said. "It would be very ironic, although you certainly wouldn't tell somebody who smoked cigarettes to add marijuana."

A second set of findings presented at AACR suggested that a viral-based gene therapy could target both primary and distant tumors, while ignoring healthy cells.

When injected into 15 mice with prostate cancer, this "smart bomb" therapy eliminated all signs of cancer -- effectively curing the rodents. Researchers at Columbia University, in New York City, said the therapy also worked in animals with breast cancer and melanomas.
Interesting stuff. If there is a protective effect, it's minor so I make sure to hedge my bets by smoking no tobacco and twice as much pot.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Number 1 & 3 I agree with, but recent, credible studies seem to go against your assertion for Number 2...



Marijuana May Fight Lung Tumors - http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20070417/marijuana-may-fight-lung-tumors

Media Ignored Expert's Shocking Findings That Marijuana Helps Prevent Lung Cancer: Now It's Med-School Material

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/media-ignored-experts-shocking-findings-marijuana-helps-prevent-lung-cancer-now-its-med-school

You'd think it would have been very big news in the spring of 2005 when Donald Tashkin, a professor of pulmonology at UCLA's David Geffin School of Medicine, revealed at a conference that components of marijuana smoke, although they damage cells in respiratory tissue, somehow prevent them from becoming malignant. But headlines announcing "Pot Doesn't Cause Cancer" did not ensue.

Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.


Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers -- even if they smoked tobacco as well -- experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers.


Marijuana Compound May Fight Lung Cancer
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4506595

TUESDAY, April 17 (HealthDay News) -- While smoking marijuana is never good for the lungs, the active ingredient in pot may help fight lung cancer, new research shows.

Harvard University researchers have found that, in both laboratory and mouse studies, delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) cuts tumor growth in half in common lung cancer while impeding the cancer's ability to spread.

The compound "seems to have a suppressive effect on certain lines of cancer cells," explained Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

According to the researchers, THC fights lung cancer by curbing epidermal growth factor (EGF), a molecule that promotes the growth and spread of particularly aggressive non-small cell lung cancers. "It seems to go to (EGF) receptor sites on cells and inhibit growth," said Horovitz, who was not involved in the study.

THC is the main active ingredient of Cannabis sativa --marijuana. It has been shown to inhibit tumor growth in cancer, but specific information on its action against lung cancer has so far been limited.

Next, the researchers injected standard doses of THC into mice implanted with human lung cancer cells. After three weeks of treatment, tumors shrank by about 50 percent in animals treated with THC, compared to those in an untreated control group, the researchers reported.

The findings may shed light on a question that has been puzzling Horovitz: Why hasn't there been a spike in lung cancer in the generation that smoked a lot of marijuana in the 1960s.

"I find it fascinating, wondering if the reasons we're not seeing this spike is that THC inhibits lung cancer cells," he said. "It would be very ironic, although you certainly wouldn't tell somebody who smoked cigarettes to add marijuana."

A second set of findings presented at AACR suggested that a viral-based gene therapy could target both primary and distant tumors, while ignoring healthy cells.

When injected into 15 mice with prostate cancer, this "smart bomb" therapy eliminated all signs of cancer -- effectively curing the rodents. Researchers at Columbia University, in New York City, said the therapy also worked in animals with breast cancer and melanomas.
You beat me to it. Thanks Tyler
The study came out last year, done by the American Society of Thoracic Surgeons, it was a long term metastudy and published the conclusions I listed above.

I'd rather you be unequivocally correct, it would suit my purposes. I'll see if I can find it again.
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
ttyTy's bike has motor. hybrid not just a pedal spoked.

he turns engine on ridingup hills
Lol! I do have two rather expensive electric bikes, but the 25 mile rides are done with a beautiful Trek I just picked up last Fall. Tyler Power Only, and it's not a road bike, it's got 2 inch wide tires, so it's not so easy. When I take out the ebikes, I go all across the city and into the suburbs, about 60 miles. So there :P
 

DutchKillsRambo

Well-Known Member
Short of an unforeseen accident, a .45 ACP to the head.

I have a very solid chance of getting either Parkinson's or Alzhiemer's, so fuck that. Once I start losing it I'd rather go on my terms. Head out by one of my favorite little mountain lakes, enjoy a drink or two and smoke, and boom. Sucks for the cleaning crew and all, but fuck it. I found a guy that blew his head off with a shotgun in the woods when I was 16 and I turned out fine.
 

ODanksta

Well-Known Member
Short of an unforeseen accident, a .45 ACP to the head.

I have a very solid chance of getting either Parkinson's or Alzhiemer's, so fuck that. Once I start losing it I'd rather go on my terms. Head out by one of my favorite little mountain lakes, enjoy a drink or two and smoke, and boom. Sucks for the cleaning crew and all, but fuck it. I found a guy that blew his head off with a shotgun in the woods when I was 16 and I turned out fine.
I don't think that is a bad thing.. You should be able to chose your own destiny
 

DutchKillsRambo

Well-Known Member
I don't think that is a bad thing.. You should be able to chose your own destiny
Who knows, maybe by that time America will have wised up and allowed for assisted suicide so people can go with more dignity then brains plastered over the wall. Not likely considering the modern American Right stance on Jeebus. But at least we do have the 2nd as a kinda messier European style euthanasia.
 

ODanksta

Well-Known Member
Who knows, maybe by that time America will have wised up and allowed for assisted suicide so people can go with more dignity then brains plastered over the wall. Not likely considering the modern American Right stance on Jeebus. But at least we do have the 2nd as a kinda messier European style euthanasia.
Of course we won't instead we will give a heart transplant at 85 y.o.. Our healthcare thing sucks.. We try to keep people alive for ever.
 

mr sunshine

Well-Known Member
Who knows, maybe by that time America will have wised up and allowed for assisted suicide so people can go with more dignity then brains plastered over the wall. Not likely considering the modern American Right stance on Jeebus. But at least we do have the 2nd as a kinda messier European style euthanasia.
My neighbor blew his head off at the park, sittin on a bench.. He had cancer,when I heard about it first thing I thought was.. You didn't have to use a 357 magnum,fucker



R.I.P
 

CallinCarRamRod

Well-Known Member
Life has me thinking a little right now.. I really need to stop smoking Cigs.. I'm only 31 and I have been smoking since I was 15..
If I keep this stupid shit up, I feel like I will have some kind of heart failure from smoking and years of abuse to my body..


I've had this strange feeling over the last couple years that I will pass away at 33.. Who knows?

Ride or die, baby..
:peace:
I've smoked for 9 years. Shits terrible. Worst habit I ever picked up. I gotta quit too.
 
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