Wilted cuttings

[Sirgreggins]

I assume this is normal but I figured it was worth double checking. These are about 6-8" tall and are in a 50/50 mix of coco and perlite. I used a bit of clonex and placed them on a seedling heat mat and a 4' T5HO but I'm only using 1 bulb until they root. They're in a tote as a humidity dome.

 

[GreenLogician]

Wayyyyy too big!
Good luck though.
My clones look like this:

 

[GreenLogician]

Your biggest clone on the left, I'd make into 5 clones

 

[Sirgreggins]

So do you think they will survive? My plants grow much faster than expected.

 

[GreenLogician]

Dunno, I think your smallest one on the top right of the photo is the most likely to survive, the biggest one on the bottom left, the least likely.

I use a humidity dome on my larger clones so they wont sweat themselves to death from too much leaf surface area. (My largest clones are the size of your smallest clone.)

I take it off after 4 days, otherwise they can develop a dependency on high humidity, and lack motivation to grow roots. (I replace it temporarily if they wilt)

With so much leafage, you'll have trouble weening them off the humidity dome without rapid & severe wilting, and thus trouble in coaxing them to root.
I reckon you should cut your biggest clone into several smaller clones

 

[GreenLogician]

Check out some of mine.
The oldest clone is the one in the back left corner. The yellowing of the lower leaves is a good sign, showing it's used some of its stored nitrogen to grow roots.

 

[Sirgreggins]

I'll trim the other lower branch of each of the plants as a back up then. thanks man

 

[GOLDBERG71]

Heat build up. If you have a heat mat and light all in a tote I imagine that's to much. I don't use a heat mat every time I tried they overheated and that's not in a tote. All you need to do is a few things. As long as you do it right you don't need clonex or anything else.
1- keep soil moist don't use cold water. It takes to long to regain desired temp.
2- make sure you have 2 node trimmed cleanly under the soil. I cut the tip on an angle with a razor. Although a clean cut should be a clean cut. I buy the more surface area the better for roots to form theory.
3- you want temps in the upper 70s but don't go over 80.
4- keep humidity above 60.
5- Never let them dry out!
6- don't place them on a cool surface. Tile cement ect.
7- start with soil temp near desired climate and use pure water distilled or RO. I use a flat for cuttings I'll fill it with soil and make sure it's good and wet. Then let it sit in an area near mid 70s for a day or so to raise the temp of it before I put the delicate cutting in the soil.

If you keep all those factors straight you'll have near 100% success without any hormones at all. I have a gallon in the closet and I still don't use it.

 

[Sirgreggins]

The temps are 75-78° and my RH is 70%. The light is about 18-24" above the tote and the lid is resting on top so there is air exchange.

I will take some more cuttings tonight that are half the size just in case. thanks for all the advice... keep it coming.

 

[Sirgreggins]

Quick update...
The others were dead in 2 days so I took new cuttings. All taken 2 days ago and some from the same plant. Not sure why only a few are wilting. The humidity is 70% and the dome has been on the whole time and they have been misted a few times a day so I'm at a loss

 

[GreenLogician]

Medium too dry?

 

[Sirgreggins]

it seems moist to me. i mist it to keep it constant.

 

[GreenLogician]

Sometimes thirst and overwatering can look similar - perhaps you are misting too much!
You want to motivate them to drink from the medium, to drink with their stem.
We could consider cutting down on the misting, or even the dome.
Whats your background RH like, outside the dome?

 

[GreenLogician]

Too much heat too, is another possibility. A good one.
Same question - what's the temp like without the heating pad?
I don't use mine, and although it's Aussie summer I keep my room air conned to about 23c (73f)

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

Wayyyyy too big!
Good luck though.
My clones look like this:

I regurally take 8 inch clones from my outdoor plants. I'd say it's more likely that it's too warm and not humid enough.

 

[dbkick]

Flying skull clone guard or vitagrow anti-wilt, stops transpiration dead while rooting.
Clone guard also kills any bugs that may be on cuts.

 

[GreenLogician]

I regurally take 8 inch clones from my outdoor plants.

Cool, is that in soil?
I go bigger in my EZ-cloner than in soil

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

Cool, is that in soil?
I go bigger in my EZ-cloner than in soil

Soil and bubble cloner

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

Flying skull clone guard or vitagrow anti-wilt, stops transpiration dead while rooting.
Clone guard also kills any bugs that may be on cuts.

Never heard of clone gaurd. Is it a rooting powder or used along with it?

 

[GreenLogician]

Okay. Well I'm not saying other techniques wont work, just that I've had a string of success with very small clones and no dome (except to restore the occasional wilter), nor heating pad nor misting