Oregon's govt. control freaks - Man Gets Prison Sentence For Collecting Rainwater On His Property

Uncle Ben

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aren't you understanding this yet Ben? rules are rules..they are in place because they went through this with someone else..has nothing to do with 'what the state needs' some yahoo along the line, blew it for others..you don't get to negotiate them..you follow them or get fined..and if that isn't enough of a detterent..you go to jail..obvi fines weren't enough of a slap on the wrist.

and now you can see where rulezzz and big gubbermint come from..

YOU.
Yeah, I understand quite well - Govts of Oregon and California are pretty fucked up. Good reason why many residents & businesses are moving to Texas where we let you breathe.

Just curious, are you bi-polar? Gotta a bit of schizophrenia going on? One time you're for "the little guy", now you're all about state control. Or is it all about enjoining in another childish Uncle Ben gang bang, being confrontational because you're a hater?

Can't have it both ways chula.
 

Uncle Ben

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You must like getting gang banged Ben.
You keep posting stupid shit that is either a lie or racist in origin
You're a self annointed genius, let's see if you can correctly answer this very difficult question:

Q - "What happens to water when it goes over a damn?"
 
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Grandpapy

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It's dry reading but a good example of my water quality verses Global Marketing.
My County is losing, sad part, I have to pay for studies to prove it, then take it to court.

DOCUMENT DECLINING GROUNDWATER LEVELS IN THE LAGUNA SECA SUBAREA

Although this recommendation is not one that is related to seawater intrusion because of the inland location of the wells, it is important for the sustainability of the groundwater basin. The state of groundwater levels in monitoring wells in the Laguna Seca subarea needs to be reported at least annually to the Watermaster. The current rate of decline, particularly in the eastern portion of the subarea, is not acceptable. For the sustainability of the subarea, the Watermaster should consider options in the next water year to address the situation.


The world loves CA wines and fruits.
 

Uncle Ben

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It's dry reading but a good example of my water quality verses Global Marketing.
My County is losing, sad part, I have to pay for studies to prove it, then take it to court.

DOCUMENT DECLINING GROUNDWATER LEVELS IN THE LAGUNA SECA SUBAREA

Although this recommendation is not one that is related to seawater intrusion because of the inland location of the wells, it is important for the sustainability of the groundwater basin. The state of groundwater levels in monitoring wells in the Laguna Seca subarea needs to be reported at least annually to the Watermaster. The current rate of decline, particularly in the eastern portion of the subarea, is not acceptable. For the sustainability of the subarea, the Watermaster should consider options in the next water year to address the situation.
What's the point?

The world loves CA wines and fruits.
I love your avocados but your citrus can't begin to compete with Texas grown. Ours is fresher, more juice, richer and much sweeter. I literally just finished a glass of freshly juiced valley oranges - pure sugary nectar to go with my tamales.

Your wines are generally very good, but Texas is now kicking your butt in wine tasting international competitions.
 
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Grandpapy

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You're a self annointed genius, let's see if you can get this very difficult question:

Q - "What happens to water when it goes over a damn?"

Groundwater recharge[edit]
The rate at which recharge water enters the aquifer is limited by several factors. Much of the plains region is semiarid, with steady winds that hasten evaporation of surface water and precipitation. In many locations, the aquifer is overlain, in the vadose zone, with a shallow layer of caliche that is practically impermeable; this limits the amount of water able to recharge the aquifer from the land surface. However, the soil of the playa lakes is different and not lined with caliche, making these some of the few areas where the aquifer can recharge. The destruction of playas by farmers and development decreases the available recharge area. The prevalence of the caliche is partly due to the ready evaporation of soil moisture and the semiarid climate; the aridity increases the amount of evaporation, which in turn increases the amount of caliche in the soil. Both mechanisms reduce the amount of recharge water that reaches the water table.

Recharge in the aquifer ranges from 0.024 inches (0.61 mm) per year in parts of Texas and New Mexico to 6 inches (150 mm) per year in south-central Kansas.[9]


Those massive floods in TX have raised the water table .25 inch this year.

So, in answer to your question as far as TX is concerned, That would be the Rio Grande and Gulf of Mexico.
 

ChesusRice

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You're a self annointed genius, let's see if you can correctly answer this very difficult question:

Q - "What happens to water when it goes over a damn?"
Genius? Anyone with 3 functioning brain cells can see how stupid your posts were

Did you post about this 3 years ago when this crap hit social media for the 2nd of 3 times he was told to stop as well?


@granpapy
Thanks for the good write up
 

kmog33

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It's dry reading but a good example of my water quality verses Global Marketing.
My County is losing, sad part, I have to pay for studies to prove it, then take it to court.

DOCUMENT DECLINING GROUNDWATER LEVELS IN THE LAGUNA SECA SUBAREA

Although this recommendation is not one that is related to seawater intrusion because of the inland location of the wells, it is important for the sustainability of the groundwater basin. The state of groundwater levels in monitoring wells in the Laguna Seca subarea needs to be reported at least annually to the Watermaster. The current rate of decline, particularly in the eastern portion of the subarea, is not acceptable. For the sustainability of the subarea, the Watermaster should consider options in the next water year to address the situation.


The world loves CA wines and fruits.
It's the almonds and pistachios that are getting ca.

If every resident in ca used 0% of the water they were using, 94%!of it would still be used by farming and big businesses.


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Uncle Ben

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It's the almonds and pistachios that are getting ca.

If every resident in ca used 0% of the water they were using, 94%!of it would still be used by farming and big businesses.

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I converse with Cali tropical fruit growers often in forums and most of them blame their govt. for not taking common sense action soon enough, mainly water restrictions. Luckily the current El Nino may have saved Cali, at least temporarily but you can thank the beholden liberal govt for getting the joe blow citizen into this mess.

By its very nature most of Cali is a desert, but few will admit it. It's arid.

Almost all of Texas cities have been in at least Stage 2, some in 3 & 4 water restrictions off and on for 10 years.
 

Uncle Ben

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Groundwater recharge[edit]However, the soil of the playa lakes is different and not lined with caliche, making these some of the few areas where the aquifer can recharge. The destruction of playas by farmers and development decreases the available recharge area.
Not true in most of Texas. We have recharge zones due to the large underground limestone caverns and the fractured limestone ground soil. In fact, you can drive all over Austin, in residential areas and see posted street signs stating either "Entering the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone" or vice versa, "Leaving....." Here's a map of just that one aquifer, recharge, artesian, etc. http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=2dc9266dc088444b82dd368c2222f6f6&extent=-101.1491,28.3665,-96.6364,30.6277

I'm in limestone country with granite outcrops, surface fractures everywhere. The ambient level in my well is at 33' and I'm on a hill.
 

kmog33

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I converse with Cali tropical fruit growers often in forums and most of them blame their govt. for not taking common sense action soon enough, mainly water restrictions. Luckily the current El Nino may have saved Cali, at least temporarily but you can thank the beholden liberal govt for getting the joe blow citizen into this mess.

By its very nature most of Cali is a desert, but few will admit it. It's arid.

Almost all of Texas cities have been in at least Stage 2, some in 3 & 4 water restrictions off and on for 10 years.
The farmers are the problem. Growing cash crop nuts that destroy water instead of fruits and vegetables that are actually nourishing. There are cities out here that people don't have showering water because the farmers are illegally drilling 2000 feet into the ground to pull water out. Unfortunately the residents all around cannot afford the millions it costs to keep up with the well depth of the farmers, so there just isn't any water for them. Because almonds are worth more than people.


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Uncle Ben

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The farmers are the problem. Growing cash crop nuts that destroy water instead of fruits and vegetables that are actually nourishing. There are cities out here that people don't have showering water because the farmers are illegally drilling 2000 feet into the ground to pull water out. Unfortunately the residents all around cannot afford the millions it costs to keep up with the well depth of the farmers, so there just isn't any water for them. Because almonds are worth more than people.
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Well, next time you eat your nuts don't forget where they came from. :mrgreen:

It's not illegal to drill (I mean you just can't hide a 100' ft. tower/truck) and yes they have been going deeper and deeper to get water. Ever heard of 'Exceptional Drought'?

I have 2 wells. One is rated 33 gpm the other 150 gpm. Tell your dirty friends I'll be glad to sell them some. I might even throw in a bar of Dial soap. ;)
 

kmog33

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Well, next time you eat your nuts don't forget where they came from. :mrgreen:

It's not illegal to drill (I mean you just can't hide a 100' ft. tower/truck) and yes they have been going deeper and deeper to get water. Ever heard of 'Exceptional Drought'?

I have 2 wells. One is rated 33 gpm the other 150 gpm. Tell your dirty friends I'll be glad to sell them some. I might even throw in a bar of Dial soap. ;)
It's not illegal to drill up to I think 200 or 500 feet. They are illegally drilling to the depths they are l, and causing citizens to not have drinking or shower water. That along with the fact that nestle is over here bottling up our water and shipping it to be sold elsewhere is pretty sweet.


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schuylaar

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Yeah, I understand quite well - Govts of Oregon and California are pretty fucked up. Good reason why many residents & businesses are moving to Texas where we let you breathe.

Just curious, are you bi-polar? Gotta a bit of schizophrenia going on? One time you're for "the little guy", now you're all about state control. Or is it all about enjoining in another childish Uncle Ben gang bang, being confrontational because you're a hater?

Can't have it both ways chula.
you're exhausting.
 

Uncle Ben

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In Cali, if it falls on your roof you can collect rain water. Once it hits the ground you cannot....
I engaged a bunch of fruit growers in SoCal about just that. They said there's not enough rainfall to make it worthwhile, something like 15" average in the San Diego area. Needless to say I hotly contested that as even morning dew or a drizzle can amount to quite a bit depending on your design.
 

Flaming Pie

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Water tables in states west of OK and TX are in danger of depletion.

The government fears that if one person does it, that many people will begin to do it. If everyone is collecting their own water, the water tables will become depleted.

Whether its right or wrong is up for debate, but this is the reason.

My personal opinion on the matter is that you should be able to freely collect your own water. It's the government's and public utilities fault for not managing water more properly. But not much you can do about population growth.
That is interesting. Would collecting a few barrels, which inhabit 2-4 square feet of ground really make that much of a difference when another 200 square feet is unclaimed?

Are you talking about people who use their roofs to collect water? I have heard that water isn't good for drinking.

Seems like such a small percentage of land being used to collect rain water. Ultimately it goes back into the soil right? Either it is used for gardening or drank and expelled from the body.

How does it not return to the water table?
 
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