Sandy420
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Allard November 8/15 Legal Update from John Conroy on MMAR
http://johnconroy.com/pdf/November-2015-Update.pdf
http://johnconroy.com/pdf/November-2015-Update.pdf
injunction/court case updates
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VIANARCHRIS
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Thank you for that, Sandy
GroErr
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Was this an update or a fundraising campaign? lmao Not seeing anything we don't already know, including them wanting more money from sick people, so they can fuck up and exclude a bunch of them again? Fuck Conroy and his money grabs. It's a free for all people, get it however you can while this shit gets sorted out, grow it, buy it on the street, CC's, anything but supporting LP shwagg is good!
CalyxCrusher
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The fucked up thing is that ALL Canadians are entitled to the SAME rights and freedoms. So unless patients regain the right to grow, we haven't made any real progress except for those included in the injunction. Those rights will have to apply to any other Canadian. There can't be special exceptions for some simply because they got sick at a more "opportune" time
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itsmehigh
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oddish
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Sandy420
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Turmel: Conroy alibi for abandoning Manson appeal falls flat!
https://www.facebook.com/john.turmel/posts/10154551959632281
John Turmel
3 hrs ·
TURMEL: Conroy alibi for abandoning Manson appeal falls flat
JCT: http://johnconroy.com/pdf/November-2015-Update.pdf is
John Conroy's November 8th 2015 Legal Update on the Allard
case which attempts to answer my criticisms:
JC: (a) The Left Outs and John Turmel - this group led by
Mr. Turmel, who is not a lawyer but an engineer,
JCT: with 35 years experience at all levels of the courts.
JC: recently lost 16 applications for leave to appeal to the
Supreme Court of Canada, the decision on the interlocutory
appeal in the Allard case that originated with the claims of
the Plaintiffs Beemish and Hebert and was compounded by the
consequences to many approved patients after the injunction,
who fell between the cracks or could not make modifications
to fit as a result of the court's decision.
The Court dismissed the applications for lack of
jurisdiction. Mr. Turmel and his group did not have standing
to appeal that decision. Mr. Turmel and this group blame
myself Mr. Conroy for this situation because, as lead
Plaintiff's counsel in Allard, I am responsible for the
decision to abandon or discontinue that appeal from the
clarification decision of Manson J. with respect to the
injunction.
JCT: I'd have filed an appeal and had a motion for interim
remedy for the Left-Outs in only 3 days after Manson
reaffirmed me meant to leave half the exemptees out. So why
did Conroy wait and when he finally did file the Notice of
Appeal, why no motion for interim relief from the court that
had said they couldn't understand why Manson had left them
out.
JC: The facts that formed the basis for our decision to
abandon or discontinue that appeal are as follows:
i) The Defendant government appealed the injunction granted
by Manson J. of March 21, 2014 and the Plaintiffs cross
appealed seeking to expand it to cover the "left outs" and
others.
JCT: After Manson II, he could have again sought what they'd
wanted to give him the first time in the interim, to expand
it to cover the Left-Outs. They did not grant that
remedy only because they gave Manson a chance to explain.
And since he'd explained in his decision 5 times that the
viability of the regime was his major concern, should we
think his repeating a sixth would have any greater impact
than the first five? So why wait to go back to the guys who
were sympathetic?
JC: We were particularly concerned about the consequences to
the Plaintiffs Hebert and Beemish and others similarly
situated;
JCT: Not concerned enough to move by the shortest, cheapest,
highest route. Don't talk about the expenses of another
appeal, talk about the expenses of one motion for interim
relief that seemed already won with what they had the first
time.
https://www.facebook.com/john.turmel/posts/10154551959632281
John Turmel
3 hrs ·
TURMEL: Conroy alibi for abandoning Manson appeal falls flat
JCT: http://johnconroy.com/pdf/November-2015-Update.pdf is
John Conroy's November 8th 2015 Legal Update on the Allard
case which attempts to answer my criticisms:
JC: (a) The Left Outs and John Turmel - this group led by
Mr. Turmel, who is not a lawyer but an engineer,
JCT: with 35 years experience at all levels of the courts.
JC: recently lost 16 applications for leave to appeal to the
Supreme Court of Canada, the decision on the interlocutory
appeal in the Allard case that originated with the claims of
the Plaintiffs Beemish and Hebert and was compounded by the
consequences to many approved patients after the injunction,
who fell between the cracks or could not make modifications
to fit as a result of the court's decision.
The Court dismissed the applications for lack of
jurisdiction. Mr. Turmel and his group did not have standing
to appeal that decision. Mr. Turmel and this group blame
myself Mr. Conroy for this situation because, as lead
Plaintiff's counsel in Allard, I am responsible for the
decision to abandon or discontinue that appeal from the
clarification decision of Manson J. with respect to the
injunction.
JCT: I'd have filed an appeal and had a motion for interim
remedy for the Left-Outs in only 3 days after Manson
reaffirmed me meant to leave half the exemptees out. So why
did Conroy wait and when he finally did file the Notice of
Appeal, why no motion for interim relief from the court that
had said they couldn't understand why Manson had left them
out.
JC: The facts that formed the basis for our decision to
abandon or discontinue that appeal are as follows:
i) The Defendant government appealed the injunction granted
by Manson J. of March 21, 2014 and the Plaintiffs cross
appealed seeking to expand it to cover the "left outs" and
others.
JCT: After Manson II, he could have again sought what they'd
wanted to give him the first time in the interim, to expand
it to cover the Left-Outs. They did not grant that
remedy only because they gave Manson a chance to explain.
And since he'd explained in his decision 5 times that the
viability of the regime was his major concern, should we
think his repeating a sixth would have any greater impact
than the first five? So why wait to go back to the guys who
were sympathetic?
JC: We were particularly concerned about the consequences to
the Plaintiffs Hebert and Beemish and others similarly
situated;
JCT: Not concerned enough to move by the shortest, cheapest,
highest route. Don't talk about the expenses of another
appeal, talk about the expenses of one motion for interim
relief that seemed already won with what they had the first
time.
Sandy420
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John Turmel is pointing out Conroy's failures in the Allard action leaving 50% of us out etc. and Nadine's allegations that Jw and his legal counsel Conroy and the Coalition are a criminal organization conspiring to commit indictable offences under Section 467.111 of The Canadian Criminal Code such as misappropriation of funds, laundering money, collection of cash donations, extortion, threats, slander, abuse of authority, lack of accountability, non-arms length transactions and the list goes on.
I am quite sure that Nadine will be looking forward to receiving victim impact statements from either the 50% of us that we're left out of the Allard action or were affected by Wilcox's and the Coalition's wrongful conduct and misleading intentions.
I am quite sure that Nadine will be looking forward to receiving victim impact statements from either the 50% of us that we're left out of the Allard action or were affected by Wilcox's and the Coalition's wrongful conduct and misleading intentions.
Sandy420
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All of us are affected by JW's wrongful and abusive conduct and by abandoning patients best interests to represent the well financed interest of dispensaries and the interest of doctors. This abuse of patients good will and our efforts cannot be tolerated!
The Coalition's previous Volunteer Coordinator Jenn Bennet is now capitalizing on her involvement with The Coalition and the patients goodwill by fundraising from the patients for her own personal legal action to keep her disability benefits. This is called influence peddling to fund raise for self enrichment using the patient volunteer base apparently and this is confusing to us patients and is a conflict of interest. Whose interest is she representing? The patients or her own? Again, this is called "Influence Peddling for Self Enrichment"
Coalition Representative's are involved in dispensaries as consultants or bosses like Justin Loizos. Von Milan of RUVaped, the Fazio of Paradise Gardens and It is obvious that Coalition Administration is a bunch of opprtunits who are there for self enrichment and to capitalize and further their own personal and business interests on the backs of patients interests, well being and lives.
The Coalition's previous Volunteer Coordinator Jenn Bennet is now capitalizing on her involvement with The Coalition and the patients goodwill by fundraising from the patients for her own personal legal action to keep her disability benefits. This is called influence peddling to fund raise for self enrichment using the patient volunteer base apparently and this is confusing to us patients and is a conflict of interest. Whose interest is she representing? The patients or her own? Again, this is called "Influence Peddling for Self Enrichment"
Coalition Representative's are involved in dispensaries as consultants or bosses like Justin Loizos. Von Milan of RUVaped, the Fazio of Paradise Gardens and It is obvious that Coalition Administration is a bunch of opprtunits who are there for self enrichment and to capitalize and further their own personal and business interests on the backs of patients interests, well being and lives.
torontomeds
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What we need to all do is abandon this BS with all these guys, hire a lobbyist/lawyer to rep the med users in Ottawa, now that we have a legal framework being set up this would be our best time to go to Ottawa and lobby, just my 2 cents.
doingdishes
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working on it!
im not seeing it as failure Sandy, not yet anyway.
You think one way and so far..it's gone every other way!
we all have to wait..No one has it better than the next..Jsst made a post about that idea..
go yap there!!
itsmehigh
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CalyxCrusher
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That's the kind of people we need
tiktak1297
Well-Known Member
With all due respect, I know several people that have known and dealt with John Turmel over the years. Please don't take this as a defense of Conroy's actions. He may very well be in the wrong and fucking us all. I just don't know.
But everyone I spoke to regarding Turmel, including a few lawyers, has given me the same response about him. Apparently he is a nut job. Over inflated ego, very little knowledge, and more dangerous to the community than good. He has been escorted out of several courtrooms for his abusive and harassing behavior.
So while Conroy may have royally fucked up, please don't give any weight to what Turmel says.
But everyone I spoke to regarding Turmel, including a few lawyers, has given me the same response about him. Apparently he is a nut job. Over inflated ego, very little knowledge, and more dangerous to the community than good. He has been escorted out of several courtrooms for his abusive and harassing behavior.
So while Conroy may have royally fucked up, please don't give any weight to what Turmel says.
JungleStrikeGuy
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Yep. Turmel is the same guy who tried to sue the CBC because no one on Dragon's Den wanted to invest in his alternate currency.
Already a judge (Phelan) I believe has referred to a lot of his action as 'boilerplate', and he repeats a lot of things that are nebulous at best. Not defending JW or Conroy here at all since at least JW does a lot of the same, the 'pot stars' can easily fit into the 'dangerous' category as well.
Turmel capitalizes on the irrational fear of lawyers (pretty sure the amount of times he's called Conroy a 'shyster' is in the double digits), does a song and dance about how everyone else is wrong and he's the master genius who will save it all.
So, as I said before, best of luck to the gold stars but Turmel is definitely a legend in his own mind.
doingdishes
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I agree that Turmel is a bit off in some aspects and is aggressive. i don't agree with some of his tactics but who else is trying to help? CONroy dropped the ball and instead of correcting it, he defends what he did. CONroy blew it for over 10,000 patients but he points out about Turmel getting 16 actions dismissed??
he has pointed out when CONroy has failed miserably for us
our donation money may be going towards defense of compassion clubs or legalization. we have never been given a real accounting of where and how the donations were used.
the case was set up so only the 4 plaintiffs have any kind of standing where he could have set it up as a class action and saved $$. he also stated that he needs a million dollars for us to have the best defense. I find that offensive. if he had done his job and was in it for us, we would be able to move gardens and have changes...but instead he says he's doing his best??!! most patients are broke and now scrounging for meds but we have to donate more...not cool.
i personally would be happy to donate more but since i am a left out, i have to put ALL our spare $$ for meds.
CONroy took the lazy way and used Beemish/Hebert as a two-fer instead of them just being for the expired permits.
he has pointed out when CONroy has failed miserably for us
our donation money may be going towards defense of compassion clubs or legalization. we have never been given a real accounting of where and how the donations were used.
the case was set up so only the 4 plaintiffs have any kind of standing where he could have set it up as a class action and saved $$. he also stated that he needs a million dollars for us to have the best defense. I find that offensive. if he had done his job and was in it for us, we would be able to move gardens and have changes...but instead he says he's doing his best??!! most patients are broke and now scrounging for meds but we have to donate more...not cool.
i personally would be happy to donate more but since i am a left out, i have to put ALL our spare $$ for meds.
CONroy took the lazy way and used Beemish/Hebert as a two-fer instead of them just being for the expired permits.