vegging plants under 40w t5's

driel

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Arguably the most vital part of any indoor grow is the lighting. While many new gardeners mistake nutrients for “food,” light is the real source of food for plants. Simply think of nutrients as vitamins. But which type of lighting should you choose? How many watts per square foot are optimal? Many factors, including genetics, Co2 uptake, medium, and nutrients, can all affect how much light your plants need. Let’s take a look at the optimal numbers for the three most common types of indoor grow lights: CFL, HID, and LED.

CFL’s are the most common type of light bulb (now that incandescents are being phased out) and are often characterized as those “little spiraly bulbs.” While the penetration and output of CFL’s are relatively poor, the heat output and upfront cost is very low. However, due to their relatively low efficiency, indoor growers should aim for 100 watts per square foot of canopy coverage with CFL lighting. Fortunately, with the vast variety of bulb sizes, and the lack of the need for ballasts like HID lighting, CFL lightning can be heavily manipulated and shaped to the plants as they grow.

HID lamps include two common types: Metal Halide (MH) and High Pressure Sodium (HPS). Based on their color spectrum, growers typically use MH bulbs for the vegetative cycle and HPS for the flowering period. While HID lamps tend to run hotter than any other form of lighing, and also require a ballast to operate, they also provide for some of the greatest canopy coverage and penetration. When using HID lighting, an ideal range is 60-75 watts per square foot. Plants can flourish with as little as 50 watts/sq ft but as mentioned before, light is their source of food. As long as everything else is dialed in, you should aim for 75 watts/sq ft.

While LED lighting is currently the most expensive per watt, there are a variety of other factors that have make it a great option. Some of these bonuses include a smaller vertical profile, a precise light spectrum, and focused light output. While you can get away with a lower amount of lighting with LED’s, an optimal amount is 50 watts per square foot.

As for the tent size 1 x 2 and 40 watts it will grow a plant but not at what its capable of ???? being your litterally 20 watts per Sq foot well below optimal and again adding efficiency even less wattage per Sq
More or less VEGGING RANGE MORE FOR CLONEING AREA IMO
hence the less nutrients needed doesn't matter what size of plant you got in there think of that plant as a battery running at 1/4 capacity its not going to give you more power when there is non to give light power dictates liquid uptake and plant growth speeds
like saying how come a 250 watt light is the same as a 1000 watt light a light is a light plants are getting light :) here 2 week old plants @ 40 watts plus per Sq foot and what they look like 10 days later 3 - 4 times the size there buddy with stalks that will hold its own weight rather then thin flimsy stalks that with less power needs to be staked up to support plant View attachment 3500661View attachment 3500666 View attachment 3500673
I am just stating facts people grow in less desirable conditions but one thing new growers should take out of the equation of plant issues is having there grow lights in optimal areas one less worry right ???
Your plants look great, did you supercrop any of them, a few have some unique branching structure.
 

driel

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30 days in flower 12/12

The buds are growing quick in size and now I am very worried about bud root as the humidity is between 65-80 and the temps are between 20-22 with intake fan off lights out

so last night I got my tube heater and put it in the veg room ( intake fan blows cold air in there and then it goes into the flower room), so I can leave the intake fan on 24h and the tube warms the air up

put a 400w flat panel heater on the far wall in the flower room to heat the room up when the light off

now the temps have gone up to 25-28c (day and night temp) and the humidty has dropped to 45-50 :)

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That is an impressive amount of hairs and your clones look super healthy. i've been thinking of trying a T5 for a veg area. The CFL setup I have now is ok but the plants needs to be moved around since the light isn't equal in every parts of the closet its in. It seems like the T5 might give a better spread but like with all things, won't know till you try it.
 

jacksthc

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cheers driel
t5's are a lot better for small plants in veg, as they give a better spread of light.
 

jacksthc

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16 days in veg and my plants are filling out the veg room, often I take the cutting when the plants first show there sex in flower (true flower)

All the cutting root in 7-14 days but I get some single leaves in veg I top them and my plants get really bushy so I call it early monster cropping (EMC)

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jacksthc

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update 18 days in veg

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the root mass :)

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my plants are 42 days in flower and the buds growth has slowed down and there starting to fill out now, only couple weeks left before harvest :)

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jacksthc

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update 17 days in flower (12/12)

The plants are 8" high and filled the veg box, so I put a 125w cfl in my larger veg room (50cm x 60cm)
125w cfl and repotted the plants in 2ltr pots, stripped all the lower growth and covered with soil to keep the plant short and bushy

Then pulled the sides down so the canopy level on each plant, cut back the larger fan leaves so all the shoots should grow level

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jacksthc

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50 days in flower and its time to havest my plants :)

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12 weeks from seed to havest, so all of the veg was done under 40w t5's and I used 400w hps for the first 10 days in flower and then started using 600w hps
so I am very happy with the results :)
 
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jacksthc

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27 days under 40w 24hours a day (26 kw) (£2.16p)

10 days in flower (400w x 12 x 10) (48kw) (£4.32p)

40 days in flower (600w x 12 x 40) (288kw) (25.92)

electria used for lights (362) (£ 32.58)


heaters 120w x 12 hours x 20 days (28.8 kw), 400w x 12 hours x 20 days (96 kw) total (124kw)

fan 6" 100w x 24 x 50 days (120kw), fan 4" 60w x 12 x 40 days (28.8kw) total (148.8)

total electria used 514kw (46.33p)

soil, nutes, seeds ect cost about £50

thats say £100 max to grow 250g's

cost me less than £12 per oz's :weed:
 

calliandra

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Very interesting grow!
I keep improvising veg space for youngsters a few days at a time -- seeing how your plants do, a more permanent solution like yours with the T5's could be quite an upgrade - at low cost - to my infrastructure :D
So how does one calculate how much light is needed with T5s as the source?

update 17 days in flower (12/12)
The plants are 8" high and filled the veg box, so I put a 125w cfl in my larger veg room (50cm x 60cm)
125w cfl and repotted the plants in 2ltr pots, stripped all the lower growth and covered with soil to keep the plant short and bushy

Then pulled the sides down so the canopy level on each plant, cut back the larger fan leaves so all the shoots should grow level
I'd love to see what happened with those girls! :mrgreen:
 

jacksthc

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I break things down and try and keep it as simple as i can, I have read endless grow journals where growers veg under t5's with great results and the basic rule seems to be
1. keep the light 1-2" above the canopy
2. The plants can only use direct light from a t5 as its can only use the light upto a few inches away ( maybe 6" not sure)
3. the first and last 1-2" of the tube does not give off as much light

so if you wanted to cover a 18" x 18" canopy, you would be able to get away with 8 x 2ft t5 daylight tubes in a 26" x 24" veg room

keep the plants short and bushy with a good spead of light and they will grow fast and heathy
plants only need to be 6" high when you turn them over to flower as they often grow 12" or more in flower
 
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