EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

Uncle Ben said:
For Dr. Carson
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schuylaar said:
we must be the war machine, ty..how would halliburton survive (and all of the other -45%'ers)? and 'we the people' must pay for it..not the -45%'ers..does anyone understand that the american poor financially support this and the rich pay not ONE penny..?

by joe! i think i've coined a new term!

the -45%'ers.

:lol:
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I think you're confusing Corporations and People again.

Do you agree with Republicans that Corporations are people?
 
ttystikk said:
You're an idiot- you don't even have enough of a grasp on what I said to refute it intelligently, so I'm not going to bother discussing it with you.

What matters to me is my decision, you don't get to complain about it.

What matters to me is the continued prosperity of myself, my family and my progeny; entirely enough reasons to be very concerned indeed about the direction our country is headed and why.
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I'm not refuting anything. I want to understand your thought process, specifically how the 1 percent'ers are holding you down.

What are you trying to say? You can't or won't compete without societal structural changes? What exactly is preventing you or your family from achieving a better financial position now? How's the "man" holding you down?

If you're waiting for some economic governmental restructure to socialism, what is it that you'd do differently when it occurs vs now?

What are your plans if the "hope and change" thingy doesn't work out any better this time around? Are you going to cry, starve or have to find a real job?
 
god1 said:
I'm not refuting anything. I want to understand your thought process, specifically how the 1 percent'ers are holding you down.

What are you trying to say? You can't or won't compete without societal structural changes? What exactly is preventing you or your family from achieving a better financial position now? How's the "man" holding you down?

If you're waiting for some economic governmental restructure to socialism, what is it that you'd do differently when it occurs vs now?

What are your plans if the "hope and change" thingy doesn't work out any better this time around? Are you going to cry, starve or have to find a real job?
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such a ridiculous statement..

they don't pay taxes which leaves 'us' to pay them.
 
god1 said:
Sky, on an absolute level, who pays more taxes, the top 10% or the lower 30%? Stop being silly.
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God, part of the equation is how many of the lower 30% are there?

x(10%) + y(30%)..which value has more people?..x or y?

if it costs, let's say $50k to live reasonably well in the US..when you take 30% away..you are no longer living reasonably well..

no response necessary..this debate is stale.
 
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schuylaar said:
God, part of the equation is how many of the lower 30% are there?

x(10%) + y(30%)..which value has more people?..x or y?

if it costs, let's say $50k to live reasonably well in the US..when you take 30% away..you are no longer living reasonably well..

no response necessary..this debate is stale.
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Compare the ratio of absolute federal taxes paid by the top 10% vs the bottom 90%.

If you haven't done that before it'll be eye opening. A few years ago the top 10% paid about 70% of the federal income tax collected. I haven't looked at the numbers for the past couple of years. I don't expect it to be much different.

You are aware, that a family of 4 with a mortgage making 70K pays essentially no significant federal taxes to speak of.

The fact is, the 1 percent'ers aren't holding anybody back from getting theirs .... that's a myth.
 
god1 said:
Compare the ratio of absolute federal taxes paid by the top 10% vs the bottom 90%.

If you haven't done that before it'll be eye opening. A few years ago the top 10% paid about 70% of the federal income tax collected. I haven't looked at the numbers for the past couple of years. I don't expect it to be much different.

You are aware, that a family of 4 with a mortgage making 70K pays essentially no significant federal taxes to speak of.

The fact is, the 1 percent'ers aren't holding anybody back from getting theirs .... that's a myth.
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most of us are not families of 4..we are single/head of household and pay the most exorbitant rate in this country..those who have the wealth equal to that of a small country can easily be raised to where it was back in the '30's of 90%.

once again, i ask..is it the same for someone who makes $50k taxed at 30% the living equivalent to that of someone in a much higher income bracket?

i'll save you the post..the answer: no.
 
god1 said:
Compare the ratio of absolute federal taxes paid by the top 10% vs the bottom 90%.

If you haven't done that before it'll be eye opening. A few years ago the top 10% paid about 70% of the federal income tax collected. I haven't looked at the numbers for the past couple of years. I don't expect it to be much different.

You are aware, that a family of 4 with a mortgage making 70K pays essentially no significant federal taxes to speak of.

The fact is, the 1 percent'ers aren't holding anybody back from getting theirs .... that's a myth.
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Time you read up on some income statistics. Your assertions simply aren't supported by the facts.

And back to the 'lazy!' trope he goes...

Since 2007, the only group in America that's gotten a raise is the one percent. They got it by not paying taxes.

That shouldn't be too hard to understand, even for your feeble mind.
 
ttystikk said:
Time you read up on some income statistics. Your assertions simply aren't supported by the facts.

And back to the 'lazy!' trope he goes...

Since 2007, the only group in America that's gotten a raise is the one percent. They got it by not paying taxes.

That shouldn't be too hard to understand, even for your feeble mind.
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Are you talking income taxes or capital gains?

There is no monolithic "Tax" that everyone is expected to pay, it's divided into sections based on type of income and rightly so.

Sky claims food stamps but claims to pay a net 30%, that's horseshit.

I support Bernie Sander's policies, but by being unable to answer simple questions or address criticism about them without distraction or irrelevant rhetoric you weaken his position, not strengthen it.
 
ttystikk said:
Time you read up on some income statistics. Your assertions simply aren't supported by the facts.
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I don't know if you're being obtuse or lazy, either way here's some reading for you:

http://www.financialsamurai.com/how-much-money-do-the-top-income-earners-make-percent/

Btw, the IRS has published enormous amounts of data on this subject.


ttystikk said:
Since 2007, the only group in America that's gotten a raise is the one percent. They got it by not paying taxes.
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And I suspect you know that's a blatant lie, but if it were true, you could always thank Obama.

I can only assume you keep bringing up the term "lazy" out of guilt, the fact is, the 1% have nothing to do with your "lazy give me some free stuff attitude". That's obviously your rationalization for complaining about your personal situation.

Get off the pipe dude, it's not helping. Your buddies of long ago didn't give you your nick name for nothing.
 
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