precisely. which, if we are not careful will repeat, repeat and repeat.
EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
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ttystikk
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I just read the article you posted the link to earlier. Clinton is losing support because she WON'T declare her positions on a myriad of important issues Mr Sanders is forcefully addressing. People are getting damned sick of a democratic campaign bereft of any substance, and that's the main problem I have with her.
Harrekin
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"We have the delegates"
mr sunshine
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You're lucky you know how to tick plants and top for 4 heads and stuff.."You hear", huh?How in the hell would you know? And you're the authority on creating wealth and starting a business, as you piss off your life posting shit to RIU ignoring reputable news sources such as FOX?
Look dumbnuts, I've started a business. I understand the risks involved especially since it's a niche farming business and mother nature has kicked my ass every which way but Sunday - severe storms taking out my well and all newly installed electronics, droughts, excessive rains, winds which laid over my crops. Then there's government wanting to steal what I've earned every chance they get, extensive record keeping (which is driving doctors away), etc.
YOU don't have clue.
my grow peen just got hard
5 Reasons Bernie Sanders Is a Better Democratic Candidate Than Hillary Clinton
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/5-reasons-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_b_8157614.html
Democrats need a candidate capable of winning and must not assume that voters will rely solely upon name recognition as they drive to the polls on November 8, 2016. There's a reason Yahoo writes that "More Americans distrust Hillary Clinton than trust her." There's also a reason that CNN reports 55 percent of registered voters have an "unfavorable" view of the former Secretary of State. In terms of building trust or increasing Clinton's favorability rating among Americans, this will be difficult since only 1 percent of registered voters have "never heard of" Hillary Clinton and her emails are the subject of an ongoing controversy.
Democrats won't be able to win on November 8, 2016 if the Democratic nominee's server is still being investigated by a total of five intelligence agencies: the FBI, National Security Agency, CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Geospatial Agency. By the middle of the next president's term, 4 Supreme Court justices will be in their 80's, so the Democratic Party faces a monumental choice in 2016.
Most importantly, below are five reasons Senator Bernie Sanders is a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, in terms of both the Democratic nomination and general election. Considering Sanders just raised $1.2 million in only two days (after an attack from a Clinton super PAC), these five reasons are rooted in various competitive advantages possessed by the Vermont Senator.
1. Bernie Sanders has always embodied the value system that Democrats were supposed to uphold when polls weren't in the favor of progressives.
He's not a Democrat!
Well, Bernie Sanders embodied progressive values and principles when Democrats abandoned them; turning our two-party system into Republican and Republican-lite on war, gay marriage, and other issues.
Asking why Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage until 2013, when most Democrats had already viewed gay marriage as a human right, is usually met with silence or the viewpoint that it's alright to "evolve" on a contentious issue.
Bernie Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.
When asked about her Iraq War vote, Clinton calls it a "mistake," but still espouses an aggressive foreign policy. Vox writes that Hillary Clinton will pull Democrats -and the country- in a hawkish direction. Also, Jacom Heilbrunn in The New York Times asks, Are Neocons Getting Ready to Ally With Hillary Clinton?
Bernie Sanders voted against Iraq and he accurately predicted the repercussions of invading the country.
On the Trans Pacific Partnership and Keystone XL, both issues that Bernie Sanders vehemently opposes, Clinton has either dodged questions or is on record as supporting both controversial issues in the past.
Hillary Clinton is also against the decriminalization of marijuana, while Bernie Sanders promises to work against archaic marijuana laws.
In terms of facing the eventual GOP nominee, Hillary Clinton's centrism will hurt her chances of winning a general election. Voters who desire a hawkish foreign policy or think Keystone XL is a good idea already vote Republican. The belief that Hillary Clinton appeals to the moderate (or somewhat conservative) swing voter doesn't correlate to reality; these people either don't trust her or vote Republican.
2. According to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Polls in July and August, voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Iowa and Virginia have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton and don't find her trustworthy.
Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio total 67 electoral votes. The problem with Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee is that voters in these states, along with other key states, don't trust Clinton. According to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Poll on August 20th, you might think she's qualified, but qualifications and campaign money won't win a person's trust:
Florida
Clinton gets a negative 37 - 55 percent favorability rating and voters say 64 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Ohio
Ohio voters give Clinton a negative 36 - 54 percent favorability rating and say 60 - 34 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania voters give Clinton a negative 38 - 55 percent favorability rating and say 63 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
If you think Sanders can't win a general election, read the numbers above. Then ask what the chances are of swing states turning blue on Election Day if voters find Clinton "not honest and trustworthy," or have an unfavorable view of the Democratic candidate.
In Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, Quinnipiac University's July 22 Swing State Poll finds the same results pertaining to Clinton's image:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/5-reasons-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_b_8157614.html
Democrats need a candidate capable of winning and must not assume that voters will rely solely upon name recognition as they drive to the polls on November 8, 2016. There's a reason Yahoo writes that "More Americans distrust Hillary Clinton than trust her." There's also a reason that CNN reports 55 percent of registered voters have an "unfavorable" view of the former Secretary of State. In terms of building trust or increasing Clinton's favorability rating among Americans, this will be difficult since only 1 percent of registered voters have "never heard of" Hillary Clinton and her emails are the subject of an ongoing controversy.
Democrats won't be able to win on November 8, 2016 if the Democratic nominee's server is still being investigated by a total of five intelligence agencies: the FBI, National Security Agency, CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Geospatial Agency. By the middle of the next president's term, 4 Supreme Court justices will be in their 80's, so the Democratic Party faces a monumental choice in 2016.
Most importantly, below are five reasons Senator Bernie Sanders is a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, in terms of both the Democratic nomination and general election. Considering Sanders just raised $1.2 million in only two days (after an attack from a Clinton super PAC), these five reasons are rooted in various competitive advantages possessed by the Vermont Senator.
1. Bernie Sanders has always embodied the value system that Democrats were supposed to uphold when polls weren't in the favor of progressives.
He's not a Democrat!
Well, Bernie Sanders embodied progressive values and principles when Democrats abandoned them; turning our two-party system into Republican and Republican-lite on war, gay marriage, and other issues.
Asking why Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage until 2013, when most Democrats had already viewed gay marriage as a human right, is usually met with silence or the viewpoint that it's alright to "evolve" on a contentious issue.
Bernie Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.
When asked about her Iraq War vote, Clinton calls it a "mistake," but still espouses an aggressive foreign policy. Vox writes that Hillary Clinton will pull Democrats -and the country- in a hawkish direction. Also, Jacom Heilbrunn in The New York Times asks, Are Neocons Getting Ready to Ally With Hillary Clinton?
Bernie Sanders voted against Iraq and he accurately predicted the repercussions of invading the country.
On the Trans Pacific Partnership and Keystone XL, both issues that Bernie Sanders vehemently opposes, Clinton has either dodged questions or is on record as supporting both controversial issues in the past.
Hillary Clinton is also against the decriminalization of marijuana, while Bernie Sanders promises to work against archaic marijuana laws.
In terms of facing the eventual GOP nominee, Hillary Clinton's centrism will hurt her chances of winning a general election. Voters who desire a hawkish foreign policy or think Keystone XL is a good idea already vote Republican. The belief that Hillary Clinton appeals to the moderate (or somewhat conservative) swing voter doesn't correlate to reality; these people either don't trust her or vote Republican.
2. According to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Polls in July and August, voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Iowa and Virginia have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton and don't find her trustworthy.
Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio total 67 electoral votes. The problem with Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee is that voters in these states, along with other key states, don't trust Clinton. According to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Poll on August 20th, you might think she's qualified, but qualifications and campaign money won't win a person's trust:
Florida
Clinton gets a negative 37 - 55 percent favorability rating and voters say 64 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Ohio
Ohio voters give Clinton a negative 36 - 54 percent favorability rating and say 60 - 34 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania voters give Clinton a negative 38 - 55 percent favorability rating and say 63 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
If you think Sanders can't win a general election, read the numbers above. Then ask what the chances are of swing states turning blue on Election Day if voters find Clinton "not honest and trustworthy," or have an unfavorable view of the Democratic candidate.
In Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, Quinnipiac University's July 22 Swing State Poll finds the same results pertaining to Clinton's image:
Colorado
Colorado voters say 62 - 34 percent that Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy.
Iowa
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Iowa voters say 59 - 33 percent.
Virginia
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 55 - 39 percent.
These three states total 28 electoral votes. Combine them with the 67 of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and you get 95 electoral votes. If 270 wins you the presidency, and voters in states totaling 95 electoral votes find Hillary Clinton "not honest and trustworthy" (and hold an unfavorable view of her), then how on Earth is Hillary Clinton a better candidate than Bernie Sanders?
3. Bernie Sanders never needed a private email server. Voters will eventually start asking why Clinton needed her public and private correspondence hidden from the government. Also, Bernie Sanders doesn't need an attorney to give an email server to the FBI.
If you don't find Reason #3 to be compelling, you're probably not interested in Reasons #4 and #5.
4. Bernie Sanders is never embroiled in scandal and his campaign is free to focus on issues like wealth inequality, healthcare, and education. In contrast, Hillary Clinton must contend with intelligence agencies and the media; limiting time that should be spent on key topics.
5. Hillary Clinton and her supporters are at odds with the media and U.S. intelligence agencies. Because of this bizarre scenario, the eventual GOP nominee can exploit these rifts and win in 2016.
#4 and #5 edited for content limitation..see full article.
Colorado voters say 62 - 34 percent that Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy.
Iowa
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Iowa voters say 59 - 33 percent.
Virginia
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 55 - 39 percent.
These three states total 28 electoral votes. Combine them with the 67 of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and you get 95 electoral votes. If 270 wins you the presidency, and voters in states totaling 95 electoral votes find Hillary Clinton "not honest and trustworthy" (and hold an unfavorable view of her), then how on Earth is Hillary Clinton a better candidate than Bernie Sanders?
3. Bernie Sanders never needed a private email server. Voters will eventually start asking why Clinton needed her public and private correspondence hidden from the government. Also, Bernie Sanders doesn't need an attorney to give an email server to the FBI.
If you don't find Reason #3 to be compelling, you're probably not interested in Reasons #4 and #5.
4. Bernie Sanders is never embroiled in scandal and his campaign is free to focus on issues like wealth inequality, healthcare, and education. In contrast, Hillary Clinton must contend with intelligence agencies and the media; limiting time that should be spent on key topics.
5. Hillary Clinton and her supporters are at odds with the media and U.S. intelligence agencies. Because of this bizarre scenario, the eventual GOP nominee can exploit these rifts and win in 2016.
#4 and #5 edited for content limitation..see full article.
come out, come out, where ever you are..
Sanders racks up celebrity endorsements
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/bernie-sanders-celebrity-endorsements/index.html
Steve Wozniak
@stevewoz 
Down on Republicans and Democrats, #Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern.
1:18 AM - 1 Sep 2015 · San Francisco, CA, United States
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/bernie-sanders-celebrity-endorsements/index.html
Steve Wozniak
@stevewoz Down on Republicans and Democrats, #Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern.
1:18 AM - 1 Sep 2015 · San Francisco, CA, United States
ttystikk
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The only way to shock the Democratic party into actually representing its self described constituents is getting 'their' nominee's ass kicked out of the election.
The Democratic Party has utterly abandoned its principles, right in line with all that campaign cash coming from megacorps. Mrs Clinton is woodenly reading from scripts prepared for her by the establishment and she's falling flat on her face.
Progressive minded voters know it and that's what explains these numbers.
The Democratic Party has utterly abandoned its principles, right in line with all that campaign cash coming from megacorps. Mrs Clinton is woodenly reading from scripts prepared for her by the establishment and she's falling flat on her face.
Progressive minded voters know it and that's what explains these numbers.
Harrekin
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Uncle Ben
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well, @Wavels and i have a bet going..so if you want in..This will be an EXCELLENT one for the list when Bernie endorses Hillary.
pnwmystery
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You know in the 1940s the upper income brackets would pay upwards of 90% income tax?You mean like this?
You forgot the whole picture.
ttystikk
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Nooooo that's Fascism, as currently practiced by Republicans. But I understand you'd get things mixed up, because you're a good lil apologist for your overlords.You mean like this?
Do you get a kickback, or is licking their jackboots enough of a thrill for ya?
ttystikk
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Nice! Never saw this before, good for a laugh!You know in the 1940s the upper income brackets would pay upwards of 90% income tax?
You forgot the whole picture.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
And yet in your excitement you failed to notice they both take your money with a gun...You know in the 1940s the upper income brackets would pay upwards of 90% income tax?
You forgot the whole picture.
yup..red taking from blue..before you click on it..know what the secret to getting -45%?You mean like this?
be a C-CORP! YOU ARE NOT THEM..YOU ARE US!
The Secret To Getting A -45% Corporate Tax Rate
http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-tax-rate-dirty-thirty-2012-1
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that would be 'licking jackboots' option
yet in capitalism it's so win/win just like we have it now..
ttystikk
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Republicans are Greedheads, pure and simple. They think no one built their business but them and they don't need to pay for the benefits they receive from society.yup..red taking from blue..before you click on it..know what the secret to getting -45%?
be a C-CORP! YOU ARE NOT THEM..YOU ARE US!
The Secret To Getting A -45% Corporate Tax Rate
http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-tax-rate-dirty-thirty-2012-1
Talking sense to the greedy is a fool's errand; we need to tell everyone ELSE how badly they're being screwed by the Greedheads.
pnwmystery
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I think you didn't notice how it varies by perspective.