Suggestions for covering a 4'x4' organic grow - Vero 29's or CXB3590's?

hi y'all, have been reading hard all the LED threads (yes all 350 pages and more) and are ready to take the plunge. Much kudos to those who've taken the time to write up their experiences - good and bad - and to those so willing to share the knowledge. Would be moving from 1000w HPS which is currently doing a pretty good job on the 4x4 raised box (1 ft deep) situated in a 5'x5' room. Box is planted out with 16 plants in a 4x4 formation. 1 week of veg then straight into flower from 4 main cola struck clones. Efficiency and longevity take preference over budget.

Am veering towards 8 x Vero 29 3500K driven off 2 x Meanwell HLG 185H C1400B with the COB's mounted onto two seperate heatsinks (4 on each in a slight zig zag fashion).

A couple of questions;
- Will the 3500k colour temp be OK to cover the 1 week of veg as well as flowering or should I mix them up a bit?
- Will the 8 COB's throw out enough light to cover the 16 plants in the 4x4 bed or do I need more? Ideally the power consumption would be less for a similar result - about 1 gram per watt on average (very rough I know).
- If 8 are enough would I have to drive them to hard to achieve that result? Would rather err on the side of caution.
- Would it be better to actively cool them or would a passive HS be ok?
- What spec HS would you recommend for active/passive? Are there any recomended suppliers on Ali or ebay that ship international.
- Would the Cree chips be a better option and out of curiosity why?
- Will moving to LED mean less heat being generated in the room? Ideally it would as in summer the heat generated by the lamps require constant cooling. Currently the HPS ballasts are outside the room.

Thanks for taking the time to read yet another RFI.

Live long and prosper.
 

littlejacob

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Are you in US or EU? For parts...
And choosing cxb going to rise the price...but if you look for efficiency and top quality cxb 3590 3500k 36V cd is the way to go plus hlg-185-1400b and according to the 25/30w per sq/ft you need 16×25/30w=400/480w for your 4x4!
So start with 2 x 200w pannels (cut in 4 or even 8 for optimal spreading) then add another one if needed
I heard about an hlg-240-1400 for 5 cxb...but is it on sale???? I wait for this one too! I will use this one for my next built, cause I need five.
Have a great day ★
 
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PerroVerde

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Howard I know, I will be building a 8 cob cxb3590 36v 3500k run at 49 watts at 1400ma in a meter squared. Using 2 HLG-185-1400 drivers my light will be running at 56% efficiency giving me roughly 20 par watts per square foot. The same set up in 4' x 4' would give you 13.75 par watts per square foot. 4 more cobs and another driver would bring you up to 20.62 par watts per square foot. I don't know the math to figure micromols but I think 12 cobs set up the same way would get you close to the numbers you need.
 

Greengenes707

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Are you in US or EU? For parts...
And choosing cxb going to rise the price...but if you look for efficiency and top quality cxb 3590 3500k 36V cd is the way to go plus hlg-185-1400b and according to the 25/30w per sq/ft you need 16×25/30w=400/480w for your 4x4!
So start with 2 x 200w pannels (cut in 4 or even 8 for optimal spreading) then add another one if needed
I heard about an hlg-240-1400 for 5 cxb...but is it on sale???? I wait for this one too! I will use this one for my next built, cause I need five.
Have a great day ★
How many runs have you completed and harvested under cobs...or even just led's?
 

JimmyIndica

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hi y'all, have been reading hard all the LED threads (yes all 350 pages and more) and are ready to take the plunge. Much kudos to those who've taken the time to write up their experiences - good and bad - and to those so willing to share the knowledge. Would be moving from 1000w HPS which is currently doing a pretty good job on the 4x4 raised box (1 ft deep) situated in a 5'x5' room. Box is planted out with 16 plants in a 4x4 formation. 1 week of veg then straight into flower from 4 main cola struck clones. Efficiency and longevity take preference over budget.

Am veering towards 8 x Vero 29 3500K driven off 2 x Meanwell HLG 185H C1400B with the COB's mounted onto two seperate heatsinks (4 on each in a slight zig zag fashion).

A couple of questions;
- Will the 3500k colour temp be OK to cover the 1 week of veg as well as flowering or should I mix them up a bit?
- Will the 8 COB's throw out enough light to cover the 16 plants in the 4x4 bed or do I need more? Ideally the power consumption would be less for a similar result - about 1 gram per watt on average (very rough I know).
- If 8 are enough would I have to drive them to hard to achieve that result? Would rather err on the side of caution.
- Would it be better to actively cool them or would a passive HS be ok?
- What spec HS would you recommend for active/passive? Are there any recomended suppliers on Ali or ebay that ship international.
- Would the Cree chips be a better option and out of curiosity why?
- Will moving to LED mean less heat being generated in the room? Ideally it would as in summer the heat generated by the lamps require constant cooling. Currently the HPS ballasts are outside the room.

Thanks for taking the time to read yet another RFI.

Live long and prosper.
9 vero29 90 to 120 watts to each emitter with Optics. Ledil makes good assemblies for the holders/optics. It really depends how much cash your working with? 800 to 1000watts 3000K 80 if its straight flower?
 

littlejacob

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A few under chinese spot with good result.But it is my first time with cxb and so far so good till now
My brother have cxa3070 from todogrowled since almost a year now and they are awesome.
I was on my way to buy from them too but I meet friendly peoples here and got info...so I decide to go for diy!
WHY??
Have a great day ★
 
How many runs have you completed and harvested under cobs...or even just led's?
Absolutely none, zip Greengenes. Its all new to me, hence the plan to start small, if I can make it work then I'll expand to cover the full 18' by 12' area. I did try hydroponics once, a NFT setup, which was a huge learning curve and managed to get that pumping but it just didn't do it for me, not having any soil to play in, and I'm sold on organic, minimal till, reused, amended soil - very similar to @SupraSPL setup, altho my wormfarm aint a patch on his.
 
BTW - I was online with Karen from Hangzhou Nuohan Electronics (On Ali) for the MW (1400b) drivers and have gotten a quote of $ 43 USD + shipping. I thought that was great - of course she assures me they are genuine MW.
 
Are you in US or EU? For parts...
And choosing cxb going to rise the price...but if you look for efficiency and top quality cxb 3590 3500k 36V cd is the way to go plus hlg-185-1400b and according to the 25/30w per sq/ft you need 16×25/30w=400/480w for your 4x4!
So start with 2 x 200w pannels (cut in 4 or even 8 for optimal spreading) then add another one if needed
I heard about an hlg-240-1400 for 5 cxb...but is it on sale???? I wait for this one too! I will use this one for my next built, cause I need five.
Have a great day ★
Neither, unfortunately LJ, I'm about as far out on a spoke as you can be in NZ
 

littlejacob

Well-Known Member
BTW - I was online with Karen from Hangzhou Nuohan Electronics (On Ali) for the MW (1400b) drivers and have gotten a quote of $ 43 USD + shipping. I thought that was great - of course she assures me they are genuine MW.
How much for shipping?
You are in New Zealand? Where they make Lord of the rings? Amazing country! I do like to visit it!
Have a great day ★
 
Bonjour
You couldn't run 4 V29 of those driver...only 3
Maybe you didn't read hard enough...lol
It is 4 cxb 3590 on it
Think I got the 4 x v29's from Supra's thread as set out here;

"Here are some units you could scale up to fit your space. To some extent, you can adjust the coverage by adjusting the distance to canopy.

@43.3%
(4)Vero 29 3500K @ 1.4A (51W ea) $112
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 $65
202 dissipation W -> 114.5W heat ->
active cooled heatsink 4590 cm² -> 3.5"X36" $45 + 80mm fan+psu $10
(4) lenses $16
87.4 PAR W covering about 5ft² = 783 PPFD
$248 = $2.84/PAR W

Is this incorrect LJ?
 
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