Y'all got me feeling dumb

[Thefarmer12]

Just my 2 cents.,,

You don't have to go big, especially your first grow.

I'm an aspiring commercial grower, I've done everything from micro to multi room grows. Still I push out my needed weight at the moment with a 150 watt HPS, SOG, and a homemade cabinet I made from a 40 dollar Sterlite Cabinet from WalMart,

I'm not pushing you to go smaller, however for your first few runs why not spend less money on a smaller, more manageable setup.

If you need any advice feel free to let me know.

Good luck!

 

[DDom]

How on earth can you pull half a pound a week with 1000W? There is no veg room here. And what is your dimensions?

In a 4x4 tent the only possible way I can think to do that is planting 12 plants in 4"x4" rock wool each week and run 12/12 from seed with no room to spare. but even then i think youre far fetched to get an ounce from each plant. and you'd have to use different doses on nutes for different rows.

I was gonna say aliens, but your answer seems more legit.

 

[DDom]

Just my 2 cents.,,

You don't have to go big, especially your first grow.

I'm an aspiring commercial grower, I've done everything from micro to multi room grows. Still I push out my needed weight at the moment with a 150 watt HPS, SOG, and a homemade cabinet I made from a 40 dollar Sterlite Cabinet from WalMart,

I'm not pushing you to go smaller, however for your first few runs why not spend less money on a smaller, more manageable setup.

If you need any advice feel free to let me know.

Good luck!

My thoughts were that I'd have room to grow into a bigger setup. Not that I would use it all right away, but figured more light, more room, wouldn't be a bad thing. I had planned on doing one plant. Just to get my feet wet and make my mistakes and learn. I figured one plant would be less heart breaking than 2,3, or 4.

 

[DDom]

And I still haven't even looked into what SOG, or the other S***** things are. I did look at FIM, it seemed easy enough for advanced "pruning"

 

[ryan s]

The thing you gotta think is your room is 2x4. so the max radius of each plant is 1 foot. meaning if you have 1 you might as well have 2 to fill the other half of the room.

SOG is Sea of Green. Main idea: lots of quickly flowering, small plants. Great for quick yields when you dont have a seperate veg area but awful if you get busted because you will have a much higher plants count. You get anywhere from maybe a half ounce of bud to an ounce per plant this way. I think most people who do SOG get an Ounce per square foot every 10 weeks. Not anywhere close to the about 6 per square foot homeboy was claiming.

The other S acronym is SCROG

Or SCReen Of Green
The main idea here is you grow out a plant bigger in veg, which takes a little longer, and then fold all the branches down into a trellis. this creates more tops and more big colas.

Both, if done correctly, will yield heavily.

In your situation, you could try a scrog with two plants and that would work out great. Or you could "top" 3 plants and just let them grow. Trust me, I've done a lot of research and know much about these things. I think the LED lights I linked for you are a sure bet. A CO2 bag I HEAVILY recommend, but thats like 50 bucks. There is a good point about not needing a carbon filter, but that's up to how bad you feel the smell gets.

For 500 dollars you could get all the LED lights, co2, seeds, nutrients, and soil. dont know if youd still have enough for the tester pen but those are also very helpful. but this setup will easily meet your goal. If you went this route, and didn't yield AT LEAST a quarter pound, I would love to pay you back because I'm that confident that is the way to go.

 

[qwizoking]

Yes thank you, i have managed to gather a nice little following. When i do post growing advice it is usually taken as gold lol. My background in pharmacology and chemistry paired with my love for science helps me grow with a scientific approach. Breaking down curing etc. Ive also been growing ~15 years, mostly landrace sativas until recent. I have 4 grow houses, working on fully automating it and pull +60lbs a month.
So i am well versed, and frankly people seem to take notice

 

[DDom]

As of right now, I'm in it $75 for seeds. I wasn't sure about how long it would take to get them from the UK. I'm shooting for 4-5 days, but that's provided I don't get any pricy green tape. I'll probably be going with some sort of advanced technique. And definitely will look into SCROG. It sounds like a winner to me, I have seen some pictures of it, just didn't know what it was.

I looked into the bags, the few posts I saw said "almost" snake oil. But even if it adds a little co2 it would still be benifitial. $50-150... that seems excessive, and I'd definitely need to see some proof in numbers. But thanks just another thing I had no idea existed. I do have some 40 cu ft co2 welding tanks.... hmmmm..... yield is not as important to me as I'd be happy to break even. There is more a personal, and medicinal reason. I just want it to be the best I can make. I don't mind putting the effort in. And like most things I try to get as much information before diving head first.

 

[ryan s]

I just don't understand how your growing advice is taken as gold when it does not make any sense. The numbers don't add up. I'm glad you have four grow houses, although they may just be raggedy apartments. I too enjoy science and math as I have shown by proving that your numbers are not adding up. Like how you grow 60lb a month with only 4 locations. That means you pull 36 pounds per 2 months from each location. Now this is 1) No way, in anyway protected by any laws in the US and 2) probably bullshit. but seeing as how you've said it before, its gotta be true because anyone can just run 24,000W in an apartment. That's totally possible.

 

[ryan s]

As of right now, I'm in it $75 for seeds. I wasn't sure about how long it would take to get them from the UK. I'm shooting for 4-5 days, but that's provided I don't get any pricy green tape. I'll probably be going with some sort of advanced technique. And definitely will look into SCROG. It sounds like a winner to me, I have seen some pictures of it, just didn't know what it was.

I looked into the bags, the few posts I saw said "almost" snake oil. But even if it adds a little co2 it would still be benifitial. $50-150... that seems excessive, and I'd definitely need to see some proof in numbers. But thanks just another thing I had no idea existed. I do have some 40 cu ft co2 welding tanks.... hmmmm..... yield is not as important to me as I'd be happy to break even. There is more a personal, and medicinal reason. I just want it to be the best I can make. I don't mind putting the effort in. And like most things I try to get as much information before diving head first.

Bags are only good if it is air sealed for the most part. Unless the CO2 floats away and therefor the bag is useless. CO2 tanks work better though so... No harm using that. Might take up more space though.

 

[DDom]

Space is not a huge issue. I have a possible 7ft then 4ft of stairs wide, by 2ft+ deep, by 8 ft tall. I figured I could use the outside space around it for fans, balists, and non "funtional" items. CO2 tank would go into that space. Probably won't happen on my first grow. But nice to have options available that I didn't have before

 

[ryan s]

If I were you, and I really wanted to just start with one plant, I would go with one LED light. Cheap ones from China seem to be okay from what I hear. But I promise you, as that thing starts to flower you will get really excited and want more, more, more!

Plus with LED lighting all you need is a small air circulation fan and there are no ballasts for LED.

 

[DDom]

Lmao, yea, the addictive personlaity will inevitably come out... and I guarantee I WILL want more, more, more!!!

 

[qwizoking]

I just don't understand how your growing advice is taken as gold when it does not make any sense. The numbers don't add up. I'm glad you have four grow houses, although they may just be raggedy apartments. I too enjoy science and math as I have shown by proving that your numbers are not adding up. Like how you grow 60lb a month with only 4 locations. That means you pull 36 pounds per 2 months from each location. Now this is 1) No way, in anyway protected by any laws in the US and 2) probably bullshit. but seeing as how you've said it before, its gotta be true because anyone can just run 24,000W in an apartment. That's totally possible.

If you want to know my setup ask..your attitude is not very becoming

And your right, im im texas, completely illegal.

I rotate crops, lights stay on 24/7. .7-1.5gpw is easy enough. This means roughly 1000grams per harvest which would be every 2 months, running 24/7 means 2 harvests, so effectively 1000grams per month-500 every 2 weeks. Thats roughly a lb, also equal to hint half lb a week.
That equals.... 2lbs a month as i said, divide 60 by 2 and you ave 30k...divided by 4 houses averages about 7.... obviously theres a range, its 5-8 lights per house. Different floor plan etc..

I dont expect anyone to take my word for anything.. bottom line is ive proved myself many times, in pharmacy and in growing..

Smallest op gives me $14.5k a month profit too.. do you have anything to say about that? Or that i do this with landrace sativas and sell at the same price point as brick weed?

Now, i know you probly dont know me but most everyone on this forum does. So go pretend to be an expert elsewhere..if one can even call it that. This is why i rarely come in the growing section

 

[DDom]

What are landrace sativas?

 

[qwizoking]

Landrace sativas are pure sativas that have adapted to a region, there are roughly 5 coming out of mexico for example. The basic 4 are sour, lime, citrus, sweet and helped create any sour strain, any citrus strain etc
Landraces have much longer flower times, some of mine go 26-27 weeks. They are much harder to grow as well. But they reward in unique powerful high people arent accustomed to, and interesting feminine flavors.
The mexican sour is my favorite, usually about 16 weeks, structure like that of sour d or a chem, or kiwi seeds mex haze.. can go from buttery garlic to straight sour funk berry that makes your eyes water during the trim.

 

[DDom]

Annnnd BOOM, learning already. Thanks

 

[DDom]

I read a ton of reviews on strains, mostly effects and potency. Then breeders, then seed banks. I didn't get to far into all that yet... but like I said, learning.... slowly

 

[qwizoking]

Once you get familiar with landraces all the strains become more clear. A real experienced grower who deals with sativas can tell where the sativa came from, odor and characteristics just by growth structure. The mex sour as i mentioned will resemble a good chem dawg or whatever and most sour strains, chunky with those fat little leafs coming out the bud..like this
https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/connoisseur-genetics-seeds-east-coast-sour-diesel-haze/prod_4433.html

. Master kush also has a distinct growth structure like the white. So once yiu become familiar with the different hindu, afghan, columbian etc strains, names mean less and parents and structure mean more, you can tell what indica is in it, what that will do to flowering times yield and flavor etc.. sativas are my favorite, specifically central/south american strains.

 

[DDom]

Makes sense, I knew indica and sativa had different shape leaves. But where theyou are from.... suppose different characteristics would be inevitable.

 

[qwizoking]

I was posting this earlier, another riu member found what i thought was long lost.. was a fun cfl grow, you can see the different sativas. You may not have the eye for it yet and not the best shot, but there are 3 different mexican sativas in there. Bottom left has a totem pole structure, top middle has a xmas tree structure, besides leafs and buds.

Anyway i suppose im just talking