Im asssuming that jd short is either a huge fan or related to dj short?
Either way i have a question that fits this thread. That maybe you can answer...first off i was a huge fan of blueberry during the mid 90's. bought several packs probably spent $1500 easy. Never kept a cut or bred it out.
Time moves on different strains came out we moved on a few years later i have a craving say hey lets run some blueberry.
Spend another $500 run 30 seeds......no two were even close to the same plants i had yrs before.
I contacted dj short mailed in photos and all. I was told genetics are always hit and miss. Whats patentable about that.
If he has really spent 30 yrs working the same blueberry how come it throws nanners now?
If im spending more than the average money on a strain shouldnt it be superior to the product that some other breeder just chucked?
I agree that if you use an established strain you owe it to that breeder to at least give him credit but getting a patent is a bit much imho.
Dj short has been paid well to "work" those seeds he found in bag. Its a job that isnt going to draw much sympathy from a website full of people that would love to be able to do it.
1500.00 seems like a lot of money, even for '90s prices. Would you be so kind as to divulge where you purchased your first round of Dj genetics for $1500.00 and where you purchased your second round of Dj genetics for $500.00? And don't you find that the wide gap in price may be indicative of the fact that perhaps you got two different strains from two different producers. Also, maybe that would account for why no two plants were the same from your second run compared to the plants from your first Dj Blueberry run? Can I also ask where and how you contacted dj short and where you mailed photos to and who it was that told you genetics are always hit and miss? The reason I ask is because this just sounds a little odd, considering a few things.
As far as why the plants turned out so different from one round to the next, that's most likely gonna be a result of where the seeds where produced, by whom they were produced, from what genetic stock the parent plants were selected, how and on what criteria they selected their parent stock, and where they were purchased from. And honestly, that horse has been beaten to death, but I'm willing to give it a few more whacks if it'll help you understand a little better.
And I'm not sure why yours 'threw nanners.' I just finished up a pheno hunt through 28 f5 Blueberry females and had 3 that produced minimal nanners, like 2-3 a piece, none of which pollenated. I documented my pheno selection here on this site. So, not sure why yours produced nanners and mine didn't. I can however say for absolute certainty where mine originated from and exactly how it was they needed to be cared for? As we all know, cannabis is sensitive to environmental changes which have the ability to induce nanners. Things like excessive
nitrogen, (a cash croppers best friend), hot and cold shock, light leaks, over-pruning...etc.
And, no, more money doesn't equate to superior product, and I'm sorry you think that. That's kind of the capitalistic privilege I was alluding to in one of my other comments. But I can tell you why Dj's gear costs more. And that's because it's stable enough to give the variation so many 'pollen chuckers', pheno hunters and hobby growers need time and time again to produce a product that has any marketable value other than just some random f2 testers of unknown genetic decent, which come on, lets face it, those are a dime a dozen. People give those away for free to Troll Arthur/althor...I mean king...
So you see, pollen chuckers, pheno hunters, breeders, growers, we all need the stabilized inbred genetics to keep our shit from getting stale. That is of course unless someone is willing to take the time to work out a watered down mess of an f2 to the point of being a stabilized inbred line again, and lets face it.....very few people are taking the effort to do that. And in fact, I have seen zero discussion on this forum pertaining to such matters....everyone seems satisfied calling themselves a breeder when all they're doing is outcrossing one f2 to another.
But if the only incentive in stabilizing an f2 is to allow others to just pillage and take credit for that work, no one is gonna take the time to do it unless they have a way of securing their work against lazy knock-off rip-offs first. And this is where the discussion of such matters as patenting and hoarding and even stealing comes in to play.
Or even better yet, how about a discussion about leasing out the rights to specific genetic sequences and or strains to the highest bidder, who it would then be the responsibility of to secure their exclusive rights to that genetic sequence. In other words it would then be the responsibility of whomever has leased the strain to secure against lazy knock-offers and not the breeders. And I promise, anyone buying exclusive rights to a strain is gonna be a much bigger dick about that strain being ripped off than the breeder would ever be.
How many time's does one think an f2 can be outcrossed to another f2 of different genetics before the variation of the offspring produced is gonna be something of basically no genetic value when it comes to breeding, or even growing for that matter? It can't be done too many times before what you basically have is akin to all the unknown bag-seed around....best of luck trying to work with those.
And just out of curiosity, not that it matters any, I just think it's a pretty bold statement on two fronts, but how do you know how well Dj or any other breeder was reimbursed for their efforts?
And also….what's keeping anyone who's growing, other than the effort it takes to breed, from doing the same thing and making their own seeds?
And no one's looking for any sympathy, we're just having an open discussion about ethics.
I would also like to clarify that I hate the term pollen chucker. It's clearly meant to be insulting and to enforce an air of exclusion between anyone using that term. It's only said in an attempt to elevate the status of the person using it, just like the term newb, or newbie. I'm only using this term to match the language already being used.
"Any successful breeder was once an aspiring pollen-chucker."
