Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[superloud]

Well if all goes, you`ll be hiring and making that decision one day. On topic.

It`s a bumpy road starting in the trades....but if you don`t put in the efforts, you wont get a return.

Yeah my hopes are to get my foot in the door with a decent paying city job. Maybe doing a/c in schools. And I hopefully I can get paid enough to actually start saving money back from my Own tools.

 

[superloud]

Let me see here i pay 43 percent Corporate tax and 34 percent personal tax so add that all up and pow 77 percent taxed on every fucking dollar getting taxed 2 times here folks sometimes owning a company is not what many people think its is ...
companies get richer by assets and tax loop holes like mentioned above
many employees forget that companies pay EI, blue cross WCB and or other things so really even though you make 12 bucks a hr theoretically company is paying more you just do no see it
What i think the problem is most Americans fail at is the American dream
lets face it ask a company why they moved over seas to begin with
Here are some thoughts ...
with Average american obese , Lazy, and lets be truth full here uneducated thinking the world owes them something ....
And thinking there worth more then they really are its no wonder companies are leaving faster then they are coming in ...
people should be thinking TAXES sure give the Average American a pay raise but raise taxes to par levels the way it should be instead of governments eatting the difference and going more into debt
Seriously now new born baby's first breath and a 54,000 debt given at first breath amazing huh
Yup you all desee a raise but that gallon of milk should be 50 percent more or that loaf of bread should be 30 percent more remember that

They pay all these taxes yt they can still afford to buy million dollar homes while The person actually working running the company can't even afford to share an apartment with somebody.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It's really telling how critics are attempting to frame this discussion..

Most, if not all of them automatically assume minimum wage workers are lazy and uneducated

So lets look at the facts:

-5%-10% of American workers hold more than one job

-College graduates make today, on average, $1.60 (men)/$1.80 (women) more than they did in 1973

Compare that to average CEO's earnings:

$819,000 in 1965, $15,175,000 in 2013

@ NoDrama, @ god1, @ Oddball1st, @ spandy, @ Harrekin, where did the money come from that raised average CEO income from $819,000 in 1965 to $15,175,000 in 2013?

 

[OddBall1st]

Profits, and if you think I should split my profits 4 ways between me and the crew,...you out of your mind. Their option is to quit and go on their own, and mine is to replace them. But I keep them paid enough not to have that happen.

If I go large, than the same principles apply, just in larger numbers and coverage. Everyone can`t be the boss or you have no workers.

Again, the Government is to blame for the way companies act and treat their employees today. We`re not an Industrial Nation anymore so the boss can`t advance you or raise your pay because it would hurt the companies bottom line. When we were an Industrial Nation the more they make, the more they can offer, today, the more they make, the more the Government will take, your loss not theirs......Then add the free-bee`s,... thanks to Obama. ACA, killed the promotion and raise quicker than video killed the radio star. The hope of a forty hour week is becoming extinct. No longer an industrialized Nation, we are at the mercy of two canals thousands of miles away, in bad company waters.......That alone is expensive to secure.....

CEO`s Pay, well,..it`s their money if satisfying payroll would produce more profit, they would do it.

 

[Padawanbater2]

the boss can`t advance you or raise your pay because it would hurt the companies bottom line.

They can't raise average employee's wages because it would hurt the company but they can increase the CEO's income by 325 x's?

When we were an Industrial Nation the more they make, the more they can offer, today, the more they make, the more the Government will take

Wrong;

Then add the free-bee`s,... thanks to Obama. ACA, killed the promotion and raise quicker than video killed the radio star.

Wrong. ACA came into effect after Obama took office in 2008, income inequality has steadily been increasing since the late 1970s;

CEO`s Pay, well,..it`s their money if satisfying payroll would produce more profit, they would do it.

No it isn't "their money", it's growth that has been stolen from workers. It is the workers money.

 

[Harrekin]

They can't raise average employee's wages because it would hurt the company but they can increase the CEO's income by 325 x's?

Wrong;

Wrong. ACA came into effect after Obama took office in 2008, income inequality has steadily been increasing since the late 1970s;

No it isn't "their money", it's growth that has been stolen from workers. It is the workers money.

The workers get paid exactly what they agreed to, how is the money stolen?

Do you think till workers in McD should be allowed take whatever they feel they deserve from the till?

And if these fry cooks deserve executive level money and are SO crucial, why don't they start their own fast food chain?

 

[superloud]

No one here has said anything about needing to be paid The same wages as the CEOs and the owners of these companies. Not looking to be paid equaly As the boss is paid. But the gap between the bosses pay and the employees pay is extremely Too high. Of course the boss is going to make more but he should not make a million while I make a thousand.

 

[OddBall1st]

They can't raise average employee's wages because it would hurt the company but they can increase the CEO's income by 325 x's?

Wrong;

Wrong. ACA came into effect after Obama took office in 2008, income inequality has steadily been increasing since the late 1970s;

No it isn't "their money", it's growth that has been stolen from workers. It is the workers money.

And before Obama we had Bush spending away on war and foreign countries but had to come up with that money too. Borrowed from China and like Obama added to the problem.

Before that we had the Clinton, and he raised his no new taxes too. just follow the leaders from Nixon forward, ...you`ll see not one of them put the countries best interest before foreign policy.

In order to steal growth from the workers, it would have to be theirs and that is your problem, you think it is.

Why is it you can`t see what the ACA was originally, and not what Obamas sold out to what it is today ? He penned a damn near perfect health reform, copied from Mitts` Ma deal,...and then sold it out to keep big insurances in business, to steal the growth.....as you would put it.....He fucked you over and you forgot.....

 

[Padawanbater2]

The workers get paid exactly what they agreed to, how is the money stolen?

Do you think till workers in McD should be allowed take whatever they feel they deserve from the till?

And if these fry cooks deserve executive level money and are SO crucial, why don't they start their own fast food chain?

Where did the money that enabled average CEO income to increase from $819,000 in 1965 to $15,175,000 in 2013?

 

[superloud]

And before Obama we had Bush spending away on war and foreign countries but had to come up with that money too. Borrowed from China and like Obama added to the problem.

Before that we had the Clinton, and he raised his no new taxes too. just follow the leaders from Nixon forward, ...you`ll see not one of them put the countries best interest before foreign policy.

In order to steal growth from the workers, it would have to be theirs and that is your problem, you think it is.

Why is it you can`t see what the ACA was originally, and not what Obamas sold out to what it is today ? He penned a damn near perfect health reform, copied from Mitts` Ma deal,...and then sold it out to keep big insurances in business, to steal the growth.....as you would put it.....He fucked you over and you forgot.....

Well the workers are the people who earn the money for the company. And if you earn the money it is yours. The company would be nothing without the workers are earning the money the CEOs do not earn the money they sit there and get paid while I earn the money for the company.

 

[Padawanbater2]

And before Obama we had Bush spending away on war and foreign countries but had to come up with that money too. Borrowed from China and like Obama added to the problem.

Before that we had the Clinton, and he raised his no new taxes too. just follow the leaders from Nixon forward, ...you`ll see not one of them put the countries best interest before foreign policy.

In order to steal growth from the workers, it would have to be theirs and that is your problem, you think it is.

Why is it you can`t see what the ACA was originally, and not what Obamas sold out to what it is today ? He penned a damn near perfect health reform, copied from Mitts` Ma deal,...and then sold it out to keep big insurances in business, to steal the growth.....as you would put it.....He fucked you over and you forgot.....

Why don't you address the points I made in the previous post? You said workers income can't increase because it will "hurt the company", but average CEO income has increased to more than 325 x's what it was in 1965. So why is it OK to skyrocket the CEO's pay with the economic growth earned on the backs of employees labor while not sharing that with the employees themselves?

 

[OddBall1st]

Well the workers are the people who earn the money for the company. And if you earn the money it is yours. The company would be nothing without the workers are earning the money the CEOs do not earn the money they sit there and get paid while I earn the money for the company.

This is not true. You`re on my insurance and my equiptment. You`re in a position I wish to pay X to fill. You came to me for work, not a percentage of the profits. Let`s use You earn me ten dollars I give you three as an example of how I will pay you. Leave and I can replace you.

The worker earned his money and benefits while making mine too, not his or her share. Now there are jobs that don`t work this way contractually, but most middle class work by the hour.

 

[OddBall1st]

Why don't you address the points I made in the previous post? You said workers income can't increase because it will "hurt the company", but average CEO income has increased to more than 325 x's what it was in 1965. So why is it OK to skyrocket the CEO's pay with the economic growth earned on the backs of employees labor while not sharing that with the employees themselves?

Because they got there first, and you work for them, not with them. Most of the time. If you`re so valued, why don`t you do what your boss did and go on your own ?

 

[OddBall1st]

Well the workers are the people who earn the money for the company. And if you earn the money it is yours. The company would be nothing without the workers are earning the money the CEOs do not earn the money they sit there and get paid while I earn the money for the company.

They reach their goal in life and you are jealous ?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Because they got there first, and you work for them, not with them. Most of the time. If you`re so valued, why don`t you do what your boss did and go on your own ?

And there you have it folks

These people are perfectly OK with stealing the growth that should be going to the workers

A morally indefensible position imo

 

[superloud]

This is not true. You`re on my insurance and my equiptment. You`re in a position I wish to pay X to fill. You came to me for work, not a percentage of the profits. Let`s use You earn me ten dollars I give you three as an example of how I will pay you. Leave and I can replace you.

The worker earned his money and benefits while making mine too, not his or her share. Now there are jobs that don`t work this way contractually, but most middle class work by the hour.

I understand the concept of how a job works it should just pay more. There should be a different standard of how much an employee is worth with how much everything has went up in cost in this country.

 

[superloud]

They reach their goal in life and you are jealous ?

Jealousy isn't the word I would use. I think I'm more disgusted with it. The arrogance Are these people thinking they're worth that much more than all the people that are keeping their company running. and its all because of greed

 

[sheskunk]

Shouldn't y'all be at work? How do you find so much extra time to cry about your piss poor wages? If you put forth as much effort to better yourself as you do crying about it, you might actually get somewhere in life.

 

[OddBall1st]

I understand the concept of how a job works it should just pay more. There should be a different standard of how much an employee is worth with how much everything has went up in cost in this country.

If your company has a hundred workers, and has to pay for Jullio`s, Paco`s, Yen Foo`s and Uba Uba from Nigeria`s health insurance in Arizona because he snuck into the country or deserves too, .. you`re out any bonus or raise.

 

[OddBall1st]

And there you have it folks

These people are perfectly OK with stealing the growth that should be going to the workers

A morally indefensible position imo

You still need to show how this growth belongs to the people you say are being robbed. Otherwise it is not stolen. On a fishing boat, you get a profit percentage after boat costs and permits,...not so in McDonalds or Exxon gas.......or Walmart...

Your way of thinking is bred not earned........