Would You Vote for Rand Paul Now? He's for legal MJ, and running for president

[Kushyman]

Don't get me wrong, I will not be supporting either one of these clowns, Paul or Cruz, but at least you know who Cruz is. Rand Paul flip flops almost daily.

CIVIL RIGHTS ACT

Then: Disagreed with the provision in the 1964 Civil Rights Act mandating that businesses can't discriminate in places of public accommodation, like hotels and restaurants. "I abhor racism, I think it's a bad business decision to ever exclude anybody from your restaurant… but at the same time I do believe in private ownership… Most good defenders of the 1st Amendment will believe in an abhorrent group standing up and saying awful things." (Interview with Louisville Courier-Journal editorial board, 2010)
Now: Fully supports the Civil Rights Act

"Now Republican questions or disputes civil rights," Paul said. "I've never wavered in my support for civil rights or the Civil Rights Act." (Paul remarks at Howard University, 4/10/13)


IRAN

Then: Said Iran isn't a threat

I think people want to paint my father into some corner, but if you look at it intellectually, look at the evidence that Iran is not a threat. Iran cannot even refine their own gasoline. Over 50 percent of their gasoline is imported from Europe." (Interview with Alex Jones, 12/07)

Now: Signed letter to Iran sponsored by Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., that tried to undercut President Obama's negotiations with Iran

"There's no one in Washington more against war and more for a negotiated deal than I am," Paul said in an interview at SXSW in Austin, Texas. "But I want the negotiated deal to be a good deal. So my reason for signing onto the letter, I think it reiterates what is the actual law, that Congress will have to undo sanctions. But I also signed onto the letter because I want the president to negotiate from a position of strength which means that he needs to be telling them in Iran that 'I've got Congress to deal with.'" (Huffington Post, 3/16/15)

Also: "I will oppose any deal that does not end Iran's nuclear ambitions and have strong verification measures." (Announcement speech, 4/7/15)

IRAN

Then: Said Iran isn't a threat

I think people want to paint my father into some corner, but if you look at it intellectually, look at the evidence that Iran is not a threat. Iran cannot even refine their own gasoline. Over 50 percent of their gasoline is imported from Europe." (Interview with Alex Jones, 12/07)

Now: Signed letter to Iran sponsored by Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., that tried to undercut President Obama's negotiations with Iran

"There's no one in Washington more against war and more for a negotiated deal than I am," Paul said in an interview at SXSW in Austin, Texas. "But I want the negotiated deal to be a good deal. So my reason for signing onto the letter, I think it reiterates what is the actual law, that Congress will have to undo sanctions. But I also signed onto the letter because I want the president to negotiate from a position of strength which means that he needs to be telling them in Iran that 'I've got Congress to deal with.'" (Huffington Post, 3/16/15)

Also: "I will oppose any deal that does not end Iran's nuclear ambitions and have strong verification measures." (Announcement speech, 4/7/15)

ISRAEL

Then: Proposed a budget in 2011 eliminating foreign aid to Israel

"While this budget proposal does eliminate foreign aid to Israel, it is not meant to hurt, negate, or single out one of America's most important allies. This proposal eliminates all foreign aid to all countries. Israel's ability to conduct foreign policy, regain economic dominance, and support itself without the heavy hand of U.S. interests and policies, will only strengthen the Israeli community." (Paul FY 2012 budget, released March 2011 https://web.archive.org/web/20120905012813/http://campaignforliberty.com/materials/RandBudget.pdf)

Now: Denies he ever proposed eliminating foreign aid to Israel

"I haven't really proposed that in the past," Paul told Yahoo News. "We've never had a legislative proposal to do that. You can mistake my position, but then I'll answer the question. That has not been a position — a legislative position — we have introduced to phase out or get rid of Israel's aid." (Yahoo, 8/4/14)

VACCINES

Then: Said he heard of cases where vaccines caused "profound mental disorders"

"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. I'm not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. I think they are a good thing, but I think the parent should have some input. The state doesn't own your children. Parents own the children. And it is an issue of freedom and public health." (CNBC interview, 2/2/15)

Now: Maintains he didn't say that vaccines cause disorders

"I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related -- I did not allege causation," Paul said. "I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated." (NBC, 2/3/15)

IMMIGRATION

Then: Proposed that undocumented immigrants could have a pathway to citizenship - by first obtaining legal status and visas and then have the option of applying for citizenship.

"You get in the same lines, you get in the line wherever you sign up, you don't go to the front of any line," he explained. "And I know that sounds silly, but front or back of the line seems to be this thing that's really important to people. So what I would say is, you have the option to get in the line without going home. That's the main difference from what we have now, as well as you get a work visa if you want to work." (NBC, 3/19/13)

Now: Says he opposes "amnesty" for undocumented immigrants

"I do not support amnesty, but rather I support a legal immigration process. I recognize that the country has been enriched by those who seek the American Dream and the desire for a better life, however, millions of illegal immigrants are crossing our border without our knowledge which threatens our national security." (Campaign website)

 

[Rob Roy]

 

[see4]

The amount of children murdered is appalling. That ANY children continue to die is what you should be questioning, not saying your favored douche is a kinder gentler thug.

I could give a flying fuck about who's shit smells the least, both parties are identical in their tactics.

A kinder master gives his favorite enslaved hoes some perfume and jewelry. A real freedom person releases them, all of them.

I don't make shit up, well sometimes, but not this kind of shit.

You could call me a pompous ass if you like, kind hearted self deprecating know it all would be a better description, my accusations of the Presidents are a rejection of their tactics. which are an assumption of power over others. Presidents love holding the gun.

In my book, Presidents and President wannabes are just different flavors of assholishisness.

But only during this Presidency have you gained an opinion? If you could kindly point me to some of your outrage [posts/articles/statuses] between 2002 and 2008, I'm having trouble finding anything.

 

[Rob Roy]

But only during this Presidency have you gained an opinion? If you could kindly point me to some of your outrage [posts/articles/statuses] between 2002 and 2008, I'm having trouble finding anything.

Some of my outrage? Okay, back when Junior Bush was the "decider" I supported throwing his ass to the curb.


Also, even if a person were asleep just a year or several years ago, that shouldn't be reason to condemn them for waking up.
Some of my friends voted for the Obama douche in 2008 and some voted for the Bush douche...now they all believe neither was a "real choice". Amazing huh?

I've been a Vermin Supreme man for a while now. He's gonna get me a free pony.

 

[UncleBuck]

The amount of children murdered is appalling.

but if they were paid for sex instead, you would call it voluntary and consensual.

 

[UncleBuck]

The unemployment stats are amazingly doctored and you should be aware of that.

nope.

they do a monthly survey wherein they call people and ask them directly if they are working or looking for work or unemployed. it is a scientific, verifiable, repeatable process, there is no way to doctor it.

you are just a retarded blowhard racist. and possible pedophile.

 

[UncleBuck]

I've been a Vermin Supreme man for a while now. He's gonna get me a free pony.

you sound like any typical white supremacist over on any of those despicable white power sites. save it for your klan chapter or NAMBLA meetup.

 

[see4]

Some of my outrage? Okay, back when Junior Bush was the "decider" I supported throwing his ass to the curb.


Also, even if a person were asleep just a year or several years ago, that shouldn't be reason to condemn them for waking up.
Some of my friends voted for the Obama douche in 2008 and some voted for the Bush douche...now they all believe neither was a "real choice". Amazing huh?

I've been a Vermin Supreme man for a while now. He's gonna get me a free pony.

I suppose, as long as you are consistent. But can you show me any posts or anything to that fact?

 

[Rob Roy]

I suppose, as long as you are consistent. But can you show me any posts or anything to that fact?

This is a dog peeing on a Bush post. I hope that clears things up for you.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

This is a dog peeing on a Bush post. I hope that clears things up for you.

Should've been a Sasquatch.

 

[Rob Roy]

Should've been a Sasquatch.

His back is getting wet....and I just boned Laura.

 

[cannabisdreams]

he says the same thing on this issue when he's talking to fox news or when he's condescending to minorities at historically black universities.

Yeah he's not very fond of women either. We'd be back to stonings and witch trials if he really had his say.

 

[max420thc]

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.

20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.

22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”

23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.

25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.

your a complete moron if you think most of this shit is a accomplishment, I only seen one or two on the list that was a accomplishment the rest are absolute failures.
some are absolute bull shit like tightened sanctions on Iran, in truth he loosened sanctions on iran, hell hes about to let those nut jobs get a nuke,

 

[max420thc]

nope.

they do a monthly survey wherein they call people and ask them directly if they are working or looking for work or unemployed. it is a scientific, verifiable, repeatable process, there is no way to doctor it.

you are just a retarded blowhard racist. and possible pedophile.

Keep spewing the propaganda. the real unemployment rate is around 23%,from the BLS just a month or so ago 700k people dropped out of the work force, we only have a labor participation rate, again according to your own government is only at 60%,there are at least 100 million americans that are not working that could be working,
So your own government lies to you? then you repeat those lies knowing they are lies?

 

[schuylaar]

I realize that Paul has said that in the past. But he's at least willing to decriminalize, and has now spoken out in support of rescheduling MJ, and to allowing states to decide. That's commendable, although in and of itself does not make him the next deserving POTUS, I know.

It's a bit of progress from the right that is worth noting.

progress?

Rand Paul Takes Bite of Burger, Hears Questioner Is a DREAMer, Flees While Still Chewing


hey rand! the 80's are calling; they want their funky colored striped shirt back..

 

[TBoneJack]

progress?

Rand Paul Takes Bite of Burger, Hears Questioner Is a DREAMer, Flees While Still Chewing


hey rand! the 80's are calling; they want their funky colored striped shirt back..

Sky,

Posting the same picture over and over of Rand Paul getting up from a dinner table sheds no light on the merits (or lack thereof) of his pursuit of the presidency. Or of his support for MJ.

Try some factual dialog that doesn't involve trying to make a huge political statement from interpreting a man's motive for getting up from a table.

 

[schuylaar]

Sky,

Posting the same picture over and over of Rand Paul getting up from a dinner table sheds no light on the merits (or lack thereof) of his pursuit of the presidency. Or of his support for MJ.

Try some factual dialog that doesn't involve trying to make a huge political statement from interpreting a man's motive for getting up from a table.

 

[TBoneJack]

Much better.

 

[see4]

your a complete moron if you think most of this shit is a accomplishment, I only seen one or two on the list that was a accomplishment the rest are absolute failures.
some are absolute bull shit like tightened sanctions on Iran, in truth he loosened sanctions on iran, hell hes about to let those nut jobs get a nuke,

Fortunately for all of us, you are not in a position of making decisions. We'd all be fucked.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah he's not very fond of women either. We'd be back to stonings and witch trials if he really had his say.

rend pawl supports the 'life at conception' act, which would outlaw all abortion and most forms of birth control (because ever so rarely they would keep a fertilized egg from implanting).

it is a top down, federal power grab, collectivist moral majority nanny state piece of legislation that the white power types on this board would oppose, if not for the fact that it would give them so much control over women, which is what every fanatic and extremist ultimately wants.

also, this.