SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!!!

[cassafrass]

Hello, I am on my 3rd indoor grow and this happens to me every time no matter what I change or do and this time I nearly have everything perfect! So my leafs (starting lower) are all dying then it goes up the plant and the whole thing ends up crumbling and turning yellow before the plant finishes ! this time I changed soil and everything still happening .. I am growing this time in happy frog with added blood meal and dolomite lime. 5 gallon buckets, feed schedule is Jacks classic 3 Days later water 3 days later molasses 3 days later water then repeat,water ph to between 6.5-6.7 day Temps stay between 70-80 night Temps from 60-70,400 watt for 3 plants and it's 3 diff plants so it's not genetics. I know the only thing Jacks doesn't have is calmag thats why I added dolomite lime and molasses every 4th water? Use filtered tap water... I just don't get it..also last feed they showed a very little nute burn on tips so it's not hungry. and it's not due to no light cuz in pic 1 and 2 the leaf is right in the light..also doesn't really happen in veg just flower. I put the photos in order of how the leaf gets worse as time goes on from 1-5

 

[az2000]

feed schedule is Jacks classic 3 Days later water 3 days later molasses 3 days later water then repeat,

That's an odd schedule for synthetic nutrients. You feed once every 12 days. That doesn't sound like enough to me. If you were in a TLO soil I could see that (using teas instead of synthetics). But, (aside from your blood meal) the soil isn't too nutritious.

I'm thinking you're not feeding enough. Why not just feed Jack's consistently every feeding? If you need molasses, you could add a little to each feeding too. (I do that, not for calcium but to feed the soil biology. Just a little, like 1/8 to 1/4tsp/gal.).

 

[mike4c4]

Hello, I am on my 3rd indoor grow and this happens to me every time no matter what I change or do and this time I nearly have everything perfect! So my leafs (starting lower) are all dying then it goes up the plant and the whole thing ends up crumbling and turning yellow before the plant finishes ! this time I changed soil and everything still happening .. I am growing this time in happy frog with added blood meal and dolomite lime. 5 gallon buckets, feed schedule is Jacks classic 3 Days later water 3 days later molasses 3 days later water then repeat,water ph to between 6.5-6.7 day Temps stay between 70-80 night Temps from 60-70,400 watt for 3 plants and it's 3 diff plants so it's not genetics. I know the only thing Jacks doesn't have is calmag thats why I added dolomite lime and molasses every 4th water? Use filtered tap water... I just don't get it..also last feed they showed a very little nute burn on tips so it's not hungry. and it's not due to no light cuz in pic 1 and 2 the leaf is right in the light..also doesn't really happen in veg just flower. I put the photos in order of how the leaf gets worse as time goes on from 1-5

what kind of filtered water?

 

[cassafrass]

Well when I feed them every time they burn, as I figured out with a previous grow and the jacks says once every 14 days And I'm using tap water that runs through a brita filter that's connected to the sink

 

[*BUDS]

The soil is causing the yellowing and final weight drop. Use coco made for growing dope indoor usually about $40 a bag from the hydro shop with hydro nutes every watering and your leaves will stay green untill harvest.

Once i changed to canna terra from soil i couldnt believe the difference.

 

[mike4c4]

that filter is it a small system on the sink? Its not a water softener is it? Are you making sure that when you water that a good amount of water comes out the bottom? Have you done a flush?

 

[cassafrass]

okay i will give coco a chance in the future thanks, and yes i make sure every time i give them only water i flush it out a bit and when i feed i make sure a little water comes out the bottom and no not a water softener. I think im going try a diff. water and top dress with bat guona? Thinking maybe it just needs P and it showing burn cuz the N in the soil and in the jacks? Running out options here

 

[mike4c4]

okay i will give a chance in the future thanks, and yes i make sure every time i give them only water i flush it out a bit and when i feed i make sure a little water comes out the bottom and no not a water softener. I think im going try a diff. water and top dress with bat guona? Thinking maybe it just needs P and it showing burn cuz the N in the soil and in the jacks? Running out options here

I would mix the nutes at 1/4 strength at first and try to feed more often. And your soil. sounds like you want to go organic If so coco is not for you.

 

[lilroach]

I use Jack's Classic...mostly the bloom booster all through the grow, but on occasion go with the General purpose (20-20-20) or the Citrus Feed (20-10-30).

You are correct that depending on strain you have to add calmag on occasion with Jacks.

Now as far as all that other stuff you're adding......I know nothing about that stuff other than I get healthy plants only using Jacks. It's my opinion that you're making things tougher than you have to. My feed schedule is an almost daily feeding of 1/2 tspn of Jacks per gallon of water. I say "almost" mostly due to me forgetting or am too lazy to do it every day. I feed the bigger plants in flower 1/2 gal each (I'm using 5 gal containers) and have surprisingly little runoff. Smaller plants in 3 gal containers I feed 1/3 gal.

You'll get occasional yellowing leaves and that's normal. The plant decides a leaf is not contributing to the plant and uses it as food. It's when you get a bunch of yellowing leaves that should concern you.

So it's my advice (I'm far from an expert...but do know about Jacks) that you back off or quit all that other stuff you're feeding and go with Jacks on a daily basis. It works for me.

 

[woody333333]

how much water?

 

[az2000]

Well when I feed them every time they burn, as I figured out with a previous grow and the jacks says once every 14 days And I'm using tap water that runs through a brita filter that's connected to the sink

What is the ppm of your tap water? If it's high (400+), that would explain everything. I have extremely hard water with 600-800ppm. My first grow I had similar symptoms. Even minimal amounts of food burned the plants. And, not feeding led to poor growth, general degradation. The problem was that the PPMs of the water aren't useful as food, and they compete with the PPMs of nutrients added (blocking the availability of that food, leaving little room for food before burn occurred).

If your tap ppm is low (<250), I'd encourage you to start a thread in the nutrient forum. There are a lot of Jack's users. Once every 14 days doesn't sound right to me. I would feed a small amount of food every watering. (I'd be reluctant to feed small amounts every day with no runoff. I'd be worried about keeping the soil too wet which holds the ph low. Also worried about salt buildup. I like runoff. But, I'd feed each time it's dry and needs watering. I'd break up what you feed once every 12 days into more frequent applications. To me, that's always better than feeding more, followed by none.).

 

[cassafrass]

i really do appreciate everyones help thank u ! @lilroach what kind of soil are u using? my ppm is i think like 140 and i give them just enough water to were there is little run off and ok i will try feed cut down into every watering!

 

[lilroach]

I use Happy Frog.

 

[old shol4evr]

think i read that you use blood meal did you give it time to cook into the soil ,reason im asking i did not and got the claw and plants tried to take a crap on me ,i was getting serious nitrogen issues thought back and remembered i added the blood meal before last transplanting .long story short flushed the fuck out of them in emergency .they picked back up afterwords,just my opinion ,wont use that shit no more until it cooks in to my mix for a couple months

 

[cassafrass]

well i let it cook for a few weeks, prob. should have gave it a few month. will let it cook longer next run for sure. Dont think the N is a prob. if anything might have a little to much N because the upper half of the plant is DARK green

 

[mike4c4]

well i let it cook for a few weeks, prob. should have gave it a few month. will let it cook longer next run for sure. Dont think the N is a prob. if anything might have a little to much N because the upper half of the plant is DARK green

NO ITS LOCKOUT you need to flush and start 1/4 strength nutes. And when you water make sure you get GOOD runoff when you water, if not salt and nutes will build up in the soil and will cause lockout again.

 

[woody333333]

NO ITS LOCKOUT you need to flush and start 1/4 strength nutes. And when you water make sure you get GOOD runoff when you water, if not salt and nutes will build up in the soil and will cause lockout again.

is it too wet already tho?....... that's my guess

 

[az2000]

NO ITS LOCKOUT you need to flush and start 1/4 strength nutes. And when you water make sure you get GOOD runoff when you water, if not salt and nutes will build up in the soil and will cause lockout again.

How would it be lockout when he feeds only once every 12 days? I was thinking lockout too. But the infrequent feeding sounds like nutrient deficiency. Lockout and general deficiency look similar.

 

[mike4c4]

How would it be lockout when he feeds only once every 12 days? I was thinking lockout too. But the infrequent feeding sounds like nutrient deficiency. Lockout and general deficiency look similar.

Because he has nutes in the soil (organic) and pouring nutes on it instead of teas like he should be and not watering with enough water to wash out unused nutes and salts.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

well i let it cook for a few weeks, prob. should have gave it a few month. will let it cook longer next run for sure. Dont think the N is a prob. if anything might have a little to much N because the upper half of the plant is DARK green

If you're using jacks classic then ditch all the organics even the molasses. You need cal mag and you have to feed every watering and ph adjust your water mixture. Organics and chemicals don't mix. The jacks classic is killing off all the beneficial microbes in the organic soil. The idea is to feed the microbes the molasses. Pick one or the other, grow in soil or hydro not both. Bx promix worked good for me when I used that stuff.