UncleBuck
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no. 12 plants which have been carefully pruned for shape, much like the people who grow our citrus and nuts do.Yes, you have what appears to be about 25-30 healthy plants that have been lollipopped.
no. 12 plants which have been carefully pruned for shape, much like the people who grow our citrus and nuts do.Yes, you have what appears to be about 25-30 healthy plants that have been lollipopped.
hahahahahahahahahahahhaSpike through the stalk, check.
2000 ppms, check.
Top dollar fertilizers, check.
Water the plant every few hours, check.
Cut off crucial energy producing leaves, check.
Placing the 1000 watt hid inches above canopy, check.
Flush the plant for the two most crucial weeks of flowering, check.
Using all the suggested additives with top dollar fertilizer, check.
Not using ppm/ec and ph meters in hydro, check.
Having water temps above 72, check.
Buying the most expensive seeds and equipment before I developed any experience, check.
I did that experiment about 20 yrs ago, before the internet existed, and before people on the internet called it "lollipopping ".heres a question.. HAS ANYONE GROWN THE SAME STRAIN SIDE BY SIDE.. ONE NOT TOUCHED.. THE OTHER LOLIPOPPED?...
like maybe 3 or 4 times in a row all the exact same everything.. just one left alone and the other lollipoped or other super crop methods.. just to see what works and what doesn't?
Therein lies the fallacy. As I showed on the previous page posting the outdoor grown plant, no amount of light applied to the lower levels is gonna bulk up those particular buds. Larf is as larf does. But kids will be kids rather than wanna-be botanists and will continue to perpetuate this cannabis forum myth.Defoliating is removing fan leaves, with hopes that light will reach that lower plant material.
Wish you did too as I have shown the contrary quite a few times.Outdoor, those lower branches turn into some heavy arms of buds. Wish I had some pics. This next season I'll snap some.
no. 12 plants which have been carefully pruned for shape, much like the people who grow our citrus and nuts do.
Wow, what a waste of reflective light that could have increased what the plant sees by 30% and consequently increased yield and plant health.gosh, i wish i could have more larfy popcorn buds, but i defoliated a tad.
What else would you expect? Consider the source and move on........I'm sorry Uncle Buck, but your comparison between an annual (pot) and perennial (fruit trees) is flawed on several levels.
I worked on fruit farms and we trimmed trees for several reasons, much of which was just to be able to work around and underneath them. We never pruned to allow more light to get to the bud sites.
yes they do. indoors, nto so much. but outdoors, they do indeed prove they are worth keeping.Outdoor, those lower branches turn into some heavy arms of buds. Wish I had some pics. This next season I'll snap some.
funny, anyone who prunes fruit trees knows you prune for shape to open the center of the tree up, besides letting in more light to more sites, this increases air flow which makes for a healthier growing situation.I'm sorry Uncle Buck, but your comparison between an annual (pot) and perennial (fruit trees) is flawed on several levels.
I worked on fruit farms and we trimmed trees for several reasons, much of which was just to be able to work around and underneath them. We never pruned to allow more light to get to the bud sites.
princess, i am so sorry that you do not like my makeshift, incomplete, spur of the moment indoor garden setup. if it makes you feel any better, i added another row of lights and plants to each side around the center as soon as i drove back to oregon and harvested the plants those lights were shining on.Wow, what a waste of reflective light that could have increased what the plant sees by 30% and consequently increased yield and plant health.
Some folks not only don't know what makes a plant tick, but don't have what it takes to construct a well designed efficient indoor garden.
Being one who vegs for longer than most, i would attribute the increased yield to longer veg rather than to defoliating. I strip the girls right down in veg to make it easier to fill my scrog screens, but once 14 days or so have passed after flip i wont touch em unless i have too and even then i defoliate just a little so as not to stress them into a stall...Defoliation DOES increase yields.
However...
Only if you have the time and can afford to veg out your plants considerably longer after hacking at them, you will be rewarded...most of the time!
People just don't like to wait and then wonder why it doesn't work, however different strains respond better at different stages of growth, i.e. 1st topping at 3rd node etc etc.
It's arguably cost effective unless you know your strain and have clones, but in my experience and current grow included, I'm rewarded with more branching and flower sites.
Plus it's awesome fun making it all look pretty and then being destructive with high stress training the tops-i-topped before-i-top-them-again at week 5 ....
if you like bush then it's one to try. Who really gives a shit.
That's just my experience
I guess the numerous fruit farms I worked for didn't get that memo. I've crawled around, climbed in, and picked fruit in 110's of apple, peach, cherry, and pear trees and absolutely none of them were trimmed to open up the middle for more light......and increased air flow?!?!?!funny, anyone who prunes fruit trees knows you prune for shape to open the center of the tree up, besides letting in more light to more sites, this increases air flow which makes for a healthier growing situation.
never made any sense to me to just let a plant go with uncontrolled growth, whether it be an annual in my grow room or a fruit tree in my (soon to be) orchard. about the only thing i let go uncontrolled is my cornfield and pumpkin patch, as it has been shown that removing suckers from corn does nothing to improve yield.
if i can't convince you, maybe the university of california can.absolutely none of them were trimmed to open up the middle for more light......and increased air flow?!?!?!