Police abuse at it's finest

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jonnynobody

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I know this story is not directly a cannabis related topic, but since most of us have at one point or another had our right to peacefully consume / grow cannabis aggressively violated by a member of the law enforcement community, I feel it is a cannabis related topic. We all know police abuse their power and pot users and growers are quite often on the receiving end of these paramilitary tactics that turn ordinary US Citizens into military insurgents. I invite anyone who gives a shit about the militarization of our police departments to check out my home State of Missouri that I left and will never return to. If you are a Veteran, you will find these images disturbing. If you are a Citizen, you will find these images disturbing. This country is long overdue for a discussion about the role of police in our present society. Right now, the Citizen is the enemy and my home State is burning.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/08/14/military-veterans-see-deeply-flawed-police-response-in-ferguson/
http://www.stltoday.com/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ferguson-missouri-response-shows-police-use-of-military-equipment/

The speaker of the house is asking the Governor to declare a state of emergency and institute marshal law in the affected areas. Governor Nixon has issued an order demanding local police to stand down due to the further hostilities they invoked by bringing in trained snipers and military equipment to a protest of police abuse. 2 reporters were roughed up by these local police and arrested temporarily then released with no explanation. People who were recording were told to turn off their cameras and roughed up. Tear gas was fired, rubber bullets were fired, schools closed, and the city is a hotbed of unrest. Governor Nixon has brought in the Missouri Highway Patrol to reduce tensions and demilitarize the situation thereby deescalating the violence.

This is exactly the kind of shit that happens when the department of homeland security gives military equipment to local police departments that have no military training. The military is trained to deescalate and reduce tensions when boots are on the ground to save their lives and others so everyone goes home alive. The untrained recipients of this military equipment tend to handle the situation differently and this situation is evidence of a larger problem plaguing America and the rest of the developed world.
 
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jonnynobody

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gladstoned said:
http://www.freep.com/article/20140815/NEWS07/308150038/local-police-killings-data

They've been beating and robbing me for decades.
Thank God none of those mother fuckers have shot me yet.
It's out of control today, it's going to get much worse.
And I don't think its a race problem either.
Black and White cops both have beat my ass.
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It's a quality control issue Glad. Too many bad cops and not enough good cops. Plenty of cops just want to do their job and go home alive. Plenty of cops do something else with their gun and badge and that something else is very very frightening to think about. Rodney King anybody? The recent fat black man in NYC that was choked to death on the sidewalk for peddling untaxed cigarettes. How far does this shit have to go before we stop treating Citizens of this country as if we we're the enemy of the State. This has become national news and it's not going to disappear anytime soon. The police won't even issue the name of the officer involved and there's suspicion the officer may be the Chief's son. Time will tell. By the way, this is both a race issue coupled with a massive police abuse issue. The population of this city, Ferguson, is nearly 80% low income black. The police force is 90% white. They escalated an already dangerous situation by further showing their lack of training by bringing in military equipment which is why Governor Nixon had to bring in a more professional force under his direct control. There's now an FBI investigation paralleling the State investigation. I'm white and have been on the receiving end of dirty criminal law breaking white cops, so it's absolutely a police abuse issue and not completely a race issue. It just becomes much worse when the police abuse is instigated by racial tensions.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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We have the police force we asked for in this country. If you weren't asked or didn't make your preferences known, perhaps it's because you as a citizen failed to exercise your responsibility to uphold from and hold all those accountable, every time.

Believe me when I say I am vocal in my community and I hold the local police as countable. Because many others in my community do the same, we have low crime rates and safe streets- and a relatively friendly and approachable police department, in spite of being a college town with a rowdy history.

It CAN work; people need to shows up at city council meetings and conferences and hold their elected officials responsible for the choices they make and require them, as a condition of office, to fully disclose all of their activities, funding and statistics, whether they be 'disturbing' or not. Since 9/11, the trend has been exactly the opposite and civil rights have been trampled for no gains at all, let alone any clear evidence that such heavy handed tactics have worked.

Until that changes in this country, it will be a never ending witch hunt in search of headlines and nothing meaningful will ever change.
 
NurseNancy420

NurseNancy420

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ttystikk said:
We have the police force we asked for in this country. If you weren't asked or didn't make your preferences known, perhaps it's because you as a citizen failed to exercise your responsibility to uphold from and hold all those accountable, every time.

Believe me when I say I am vocal in my community and I hold the local police as countable. Because many others in my community do the same, we have low crime rates and safe streets- and a relatively friendly and approachable police department, in spite of being a college town with a rowdy history.

It CAN work; people need to shows up at city council meetings and conferences and hold their elected officials responsible for the choices they make and require them, as a condition of office, to fully disclose all of their activities, funding and statistics, whether they be 'disturbing' or not. Since 9/11, the trend has been exactly the opposite and civil rights have been trampled for no gains at all, let alone any clear evidence that such heavy handed tactics have worked.

Until that changes in this country, it will be a never ending witch hunt in search of headlines and nothing meaningful will ever change.
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Quoted for truth.

We have these things called elections!!!
 
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jonnynobody

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Accountability is the absolute key. We must hold our elected officials and our police accountable for their actions and the fallout of their actions. If we don't, who will? People need to understand their rights and unfortunately in this country, education comes second to something else that comes first. What that something else is, I don't know, but education is NOT first in this country. If we had a more educated populace that knew their rights and knew the history of our nation, people in positions of power and authority would be held accountable for their actions. Take a look at our neighbor's to the north. Canadian police don't seem to have as many of these types of problems, why? Every Canadian I've ever met, was reasonably well educated. I'm not talking Albert Einstein material or anything, but they were well grounded and had reasonable wits about themselves. Why as a nation do we breed something different?

WE DON'T VALUE EDUCATION AND THE UNEDUCATED ALWAYS GET ABUSED!

Anytime there's another opportunity to get into an international conflict though, we have the money for that, but not to educate our people. We are a sad nation.
 
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jonnynobody

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A little truth finally comes out. The boy was shot a total of 6 times, including 2 to the head. This police confrontation was the result of JAYWALKING. He was executed by a 28 year old poorly trained cop who showed reckless disregard for life and public safety by pumping 6 rounds into an unarmed man who had his hands in the air, 2 of which were head shots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html

I hope all the racist bigots in my home community who have been saying horrible things in support of this cop can now eat some humble pie, but I'm certain they'll still find a way to justify the shooting in their own sick and twisted way.

DON'T SHOOT, I'M NOT JAYWALKING, and I'M WHITE!

I worked in that community as a cable TV installer for Charter Communications for a few years and I'm very familiar with the racist white police force that polices these black areas. I've been been pulled over as a white person in my work truck more than a few times for, "Not belonging in that neighborhood". Fucking racist pigs.
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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I know I'm gonna get jumped all over for this but he was no boy. He was an 18yo man who was very far from being an innocent "gentle giant" as they are trying to portray him. I've heard all the news reports and read several others and I am disinclined to believe the story his friend and accomplice is telling. Not defending the officers actions as I don't know exactly what happened but the story that has been circulated by someone close to the officer seems to make much more sense to me than the officer putting the guy into a headlock and trying to pull him into the police car through the window???? And the first reports were he was shot as he was running away and then turned and put his hands up except from what I read all entry wounds were from the front which makes more sense from the account from the officers camp that he was being charged at when he fired the first shots. Now all these racist labels keep getting thrown around yet if he had been a white guy and a black cop none of would have heard a peep about this. Look at the 4 black guys in Ferguson who beat the hell out of the white hot dog vendor at home depot with a hammer within an inch of his life. Who heard about that till the other day? Goes on all the time but it doesn't fit the agenda they are trying to push. where were the riots and looting and rallies and Jesse jackass and Al sharptongue when that went down??? I'm not a racist but i've been called one and i'm sure I will be again because I voice my opinion yet its ok when the rioters in Ferguson can say it's not ok to loot and damage black owned stores but it'd be just fine if they were owned by white people. Its the rioter and looters and the new trooper in charge making it a racial thing. If the cop was in the wrong and did indeed murder the guy then yes prosecute him but I'm waiting to hear the FACTS. Either way the cops life in missiouri is over. When you say ALL cops are racist pigs that's no different than saying all 18yo black guys are punk ass gang banging thugs. Theres bad apples in every bunch. Ok now let the bashing begin - I'm wearing my big boy pants today
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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.I wouldn't say he was poorly trained as he was a 6year decorated veteran. And the 2 headshots are what put him down. which also seems to corroborate the officers story that the guy may have been on something as the first four shots didn't stop him
 
941mick

941mick

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How many peopl
mrbungle79 said:
.I wouldn't say he was poorly trained as he was a 6year decorated veteran. And the 2 headshots are what put him down. which also seems to corroborate the officers story that the guy may have been on something as the first four shots didn't stop him
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and how do explain the lack of gunpowder on the victims body?
 
941mick

941mick

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Also if you put your hands up and someone starts shooting, I doubt your gonna keep them there while a whole clip is being fired at you....
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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I don't. I'm not on M.E. or an investigator. although to be charging at someone doesn't mean he was close enough to actually make contact. I don't know how far one has to be away from the barrel to end up with residue on their body. I also haven't heard yet where casings have been found in correlation to the body or the officer
 
941mick

941mick

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mrbungle79 said:
I don't. I'm not on M.E. or an investigator. although to be charging at someone doesn't mean he was close enough to actually make contact. I don't know how far one has to be away from the barrel to end up with residue on their body. I also haven't heard yet where casings have been found in correlation to the body or the officer
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so your just making assessments without all the information, like the media is....
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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941mick said:
Also if you put your hands up and someone starts shooting, I doubt your gonna keep them there while a whole clip is being fired at you....
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Exactly. when did he put his hands up if at all? not sure how credible the witness statements are gonna be about him having his hands up. theres already been several conflicting statements.
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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I'm giving an opinion not an assessment. as I stated I'd like to hear actual FACTS. all I've heard are several stories. some made sense most don't
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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Heres another opinion...White cop, dead black guy, mostly black community all black witnesses. doesn't bode well for the cop whether he was justified or not.
 
941mick

941mick

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mrbungle79 said:
Heres another opinion...White cop, dead black guy, mostly black community all black witnesses. doesn't bode well for the cop whether he was justified or not.
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So with that thought process if it were a black cop and a dead white guy, and all white witnesses they would all say the black cop is at fault.
 
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