paclobuytrozol or daminozide?

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mainliner

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iv just been given a great tip from an old vetran grower for me to greatly improve my grow( even if i am a noob),,, and are wondering how and exactly when to use paclobuytrozol or daminozide ? Thanks your info will be greatly noted.i think its got something to do with cystal formation? And is add at late stage , not quite sure?
 
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Uncle Ben

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I do know shit and have used paclo many times as have other veteran growers which includes one hydro pro out of Australia. Just gifted some to an expert greenhouse grower who is successfully using it as we speak.

Just because it's not labeled for food crops doesn't mean it's a threat to one's health. Bayer Ag may have not submitted Bonzi for use other than for ornamentals. The thousands of acres of greenhouses across the world are not growing cannabis. They are growing mums, petunias, poinsettias glads and other annuals to sell by the truckload to the Home Depots, Lowe's, nurseries across the land. For packing and marketing purposes, those retail outlets want shorter plants so the greenhouse grower will use a PGR to get what his customers demand.
 
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texasjack

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Uncle Ben said:
I do know shit and have used paclo many times as have other veteran growers which includes one hydro pro out of Australia. Just gifted some to an expert greenhouse grower who is successfully using it as we speak.

Just because it's not labeled for food crops doesn't mean it's a threat to one's health. Bayer Ag may have not submitted Bonzi for use other than for ornamentals. The thousands of acres of greenhouses across the world are not growing cannabis. They are growing mums, petunias, poinsettias glads and other annuals to sell by the truckload to the Home Depots, Lowe's, nurseries across the land. For packing and marketing purposes, those retail outlets want shorter plants so the greenhouse grower will use a PGR to get what his customers demand.
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None of which are consumed by humans, again, because it's banned in food crops because it's a known carcinogen. There is no debate about this.
 
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budman111

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Uncle Ben said:
I do know shit and have used paclo many times
Just because it's not labeled for food crops doesn't mean it's a threat to one's health. Bayer Ag may have not submitted Bonzi for use other than for ornamentals.
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Really, What about the evidence of Liver damage with exposed contact/consumption of paclobutrazol?!

http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/agr/pesticides/rightofway/docs/paclobutrazol-review-jan-2012.pdf

BTW, Bayer is about as low as Monsanto for company ethics (or lack off) in my book.
 
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texasjack said:
None of which are consumed by humans, again, because it's banned in food crops because it's a known carcinogen. There is no debate about this.
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The air you breath and the food you eat is a carcinogen. If you're quoting studies, the administration of the paclo is flawed and usually crap science whereby some poor rat was given 100X dose of what's normally provided via a foliar spray or drench. I use a 3% solution which is like 3 ml/gal. All you need is enough for runoff, a liter or less.

This PGR reduces internode lengths and is said to increase flower production.
 
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Uncle Ben said:
I do know shit and have used paclo many times as have other veteran growers which includes one hydro pro out of Australia. Just gifted some to an expert greenhouse grower who is successfully using it as we speak.

Just because it's not labeled for food crops doesn't mean it's a threat to one's health. Bayer Ag may have not submitted Bonzi for use other than for ornamentals. The thousands of acres of greenhouses across the world are not growing cannabis. They are growing mums, petunias, poinsettias glads and other annuals to sell by the truckload to the Home Depots, Lowe's, nurseries across the land. For packing and marketing purposes, those retail outlets want shorter plants so the greenhouse grower will use a PGR to get what his customers demand.
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in the 80's msg was used as a flavour enhancer and it got a bad name that it was bad for your health,, its people who use this product who put a bad rumour out there so no one uses it , thus keeping there food abit tasteier than there competitors,,,,it acctually turns out to be good for you like salt in small doses but adds more flavour,, i use it on my food and im not dead yet ,, see in still typing,,,,,not dead , just saying you cant belive everthing what's written and not written on the package,,
 
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Uncle Ben

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budman111 said:
BTW, Bayer is about as low as Monsanto for company ethics (or lack off) in my book.
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Pot calling kettle black. There is NO such industry as unethical, greedy, and just plain fraudalent than the cannabis biz.

What does a study about ROW's have to do with liver damage?

Bayer and Monsanto are both ethical, bonafide and have saved the everyday farmer and other businessmen big bucks which is passed along as cheaper products and food to guys like you.

No one is forcing you to use anything, nor is any one forcing you to get the facts before the feelings.
 
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Really, What about the evidence of Liver damage with exposed contact/consumption of paclobutrazol?!


END OF DISCUSSION BOY'S ,IV GOT STAGE 4 LIVER CIRRHOSIS,,,,IT'S A NO NO NO IN MY BOOK , BUT THANKS ANYWAY'S,,,,,please continue the fight!! this is getting brutal!!
 
budman111

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Uncle Ben said:
Pot calling kettle black. There is NO such industry as unethical, greedy, and just plain fraudalent than the cannabis biz.

What does a study about ROW's have to do with liver damage?

Bayer and Monsanto are both ethical, bonafide and have saved the everyday farmer and other businessmen big bucks which is passed along as cheaper products and food to guys like you.

No one is forcing you to use anything, nor is any one forcing you to get the facts before the feelings.
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So I presume you are happy with their 'sterile' crops that effectively kill all living things in the field including bees, wasps, butterfly's?! c'mon Ben open your eyes! They are EVIL

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-seeds-of-suicide-how-monsanto-destroys-farming/5329947
 
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budman111 said:
So I presume you are happy with their 'sterile' crops that effectively kill all living things in the field including bees, wasps, butterfly's?! c'mon Ben open your eyes! They are EVIL

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-seeds-of-suicide-how-monsanto-destroys-farming/5329947
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You link me to a progressive wacko site spewing progaganda, lies and spin without any science backing up the spin and want me to believe Monsanto is evil? You need to open your eyes and stop drinking the Koolaid.

Sorry to clue you in but I use pesticides very rarely but when I do I still experience thousands of bees and such in my field, greenhouse, and veggie garden. And sometimes you need to do what you need to do even though you hate doing it. For example, My grape crop is coming in and even though I've used netting the coons are thieving me again. Trapped and shot a big mama this morn. Not a way to start your day and I hate doing this as I'm a softie at heart but it's either them or my customers. Out of a ton of premium grapes, they stole 1,600 lbs. last year.

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Uncle Ben said:
You link me to a progressive wacko site spewing progaganda, lies and spin without any science backing up the spin and want me to believe Monsanto is evil? You need to open your eyes and stop drinking the Koolaid.

Sorry to clue you in but I use pesticides very rarely but when I do I still experience thousands of bees and such in my field, greenhouse, and veggie garden. And sometimes you need to do what you need to do even though you hate doing it. For example, My grape crop is coming in and even though I've used netting the coons are thieving me again. Trapped and shot a big mama this morn. Not a way to start your day and I hate doing this as I'm a softie at heart but it's either them or my customers. Out of a ton of premium grapes, they stole 1,600 lbs. last year.

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i can give you good old tip to get rid of pests stealing your crop,,,just give them something else to eat, something they like more than your grapes, and theyll leave th alone,,cheap meat or old fruit,,,,i feed the slugs in my garden cat bisciuts, they love it and they fill up on cat bicuits then go back to bed,,,simple,,,you don't have to fight against them you'll never win , that's why there called pests. They just keep coming back,, being doing the cat biscuit thing for years ,never fails,,
 
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